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- From: gjh@galen.med.Virginia.EDU (Galen J. Hekhuis)
- Subject: In response to something...
- Message-ID: <1993Jan2.044751.9393@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
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- Organization: University of Virginia Health Sciences Center
- Date: Sat, 2 Jan 1993 04:47:51 GMT
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- I wanted to respond to an article, but got blown off line and when
- I got back on it was gone. I can't do the nifty re: stuff, but I
- believe that a person with the userid "vengeanc" or the like asserted
- that the main difference between pregnancy and the draft was one of
- assignment of risk. Like Kevin, this person is also mistaken that
- assignment (or the ease thereof) is the main difference between
- pregnancy or abortion and the draft and/or a late night burglary.
-
- Both of you should note that a pregnant woman is nothing
- like either the draft or burglary. Comparing the relative risks of
- them is amazingly futile -- it doesn't prove or shed light on a
- thing.
-
- As for an estimate that 90%, or for that matter any percentage, of
- illegal abortions were performed in a licensed physician's office, I
- would encourage people to think about that just a minute. How do
- you get reliable percentages about anything illegal? You can get
- fairly reliable statistics about legal things with some effort to
- avoid some of the more common pitfalls, but what group or organization
- keeps records on illegal activities? Are we really to believe that
- a representative number of (illegal) abortions were reviewed (how were
- they even detected?) and it was found that 90% of them were actually
- performed in a physician's office? The difficulty involved in even
- gaining the raw data should make one terribly skeptical of any analysis
- of it. Or are we more likely to conclude that there might well be
- another reason, if the figure is to be believed at all, that 90% of
- all detected illegal abortions were performed in a physician's office.
- Perhaps their location accounted for the lion's share of their detection.
-
- I lived in Texas until 1963, well before Roe vs Wade, during a
- time in which I believe abortion was mostly illegal in Texas. At no
- time (and I went to high school in Texas, and I wasn't exactly deaf)
- did I hear of anyone obtaining an abortion in a physician's office.
- I'm certain it happened, but I doubt the 90% figure. I can't imagine
- I didn't hear about it if it happened with anywhere near that frequency.
-
- There is also an assertion that life begins at conception. Perhaps
- it is just a matter of semantics, but it would be a bit of a leap.
- Virtually every scientist knows that some reproduction is accomplished
- by fission, and no conception is involved whatsoever. Perhaps what
- was meant was that a unique life or a unique chromosome makeup begins
- then, but hardly life.
-
- I know several scientists, although I wouldn't characterize them as
- "friends." Some are, most are not. I work for a department in
- a medical school. The scientists I know are mostly faculty or
- post-doctoral fellows (both MDs and PhDs and double degreed folk)
- who do research in the life sciences. When they speak about what
- medical science (or science) knows about life I tend to accept them
- as knowledgeable sources. They don't think life begins at conception,
- although I imagine you might get some to concede that after enough
- rounds of semantic badgering.
-
- This all is beside the issue for me, anyway. No one has yet provided
- any statistics that making abortion illegal is either necessary or
- effective. I was around before Roe vs Wade, and after, and I see
- little evidence that overturning it would make things any better.
- I have seen no evidence that government involvement in reproduction
- is necessary, effective, or wise. A lot of people tend to think that
- legislation is unnecessary, ineffective, and unwise. The few statistics
- that have been posted tend to bear this out. I don't archive articles,
- but I recollect that Brazil (where abortion is illegal) has a higher
- per capita abortion rate than the US (where abortion is largely legal).
- This in itself suggests that illegality is exactly the wrong way to
- go for those who wish to reduce the number of abortions.
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