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- From: patrick@blanco.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey)
- Subject: Re: independent party? (was: Abortion, Caves, Galen)
- In-Reply-To: aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA's message of 1 Jan 93 11:46:49 GMT
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- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 14:38:37 GMT
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- In article <aidler.725888809@sanjuan> aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA (E Alan Idler) writes:
-
- cj@eno.esd.sgi.com.esd.sgi.com (C.J. Silverio) writes:
-
- >In article <aidler.725614614@sanjuan>, aidler@sanjuan.UVic.CA writes:
- >|An independent party needs to consider the opinion of
- >|experts along with the interests of mother and child and
- >|evaluate how realistic the woman's desire for an
- >|abortion is compared with any reasonable alternatives.
-
- >Why? Why is it the business of any "independent party"? Why
- >not allow the woman or the couple (if it exists) to make
- >decisions about her body? Have you heard of the concept of a
- >"right to privacy"?
-
- I am extending human rights to the fetus.
- To extinquish those rights without an
- independent evaluation is not just.
-
- But denying an already-born person her rights is? Sorry, but it don't play
- in Peoria.
-
- >Would you like this "independent party" to make other decisions
- >concerning this woman's body as well? Say, which birth control
- >method she should be using, which kinds of treatments she get
- >for various illnesses, etc.?
-
- How people manage their private lives is none
- of my concern.
-
- ...until they want to do something YOU don't think they should do.
- (Obviously, subtlety is not one of your talents.)
-
- >Note that no child is involved in abortion. The woman's
- >interests are the only interests to consider. If you feel
- >otherwise, you have to prove your case.
-
- Parents have children.
- A pregnant woman is already a parent
- (whether you or she chooses to acknowledge it or not).
-
- It doesn't matter what YOU think about it, because if you're not its father,
- it's none of your business.
-
- (Stunning statement, there -- "Parents have children."...got any other
- revelations we need to know? Chew on this a bit -- why is it you never hear
- either the man or the woman involved in the creation of an embryo described
- as "parents" then? They're always "parents-to-be". Or is this some strange
- BC dialect we're dealing with here?)
-
- A IDLER
-
- I'd have to agree -- you're quite an idler. You've managed to waste time
- and not say much of anything in this article, that's for sure...
-
- --PLH, these are *my* opinions. You don't like that, I don't have a
- complaints department.
- --
-