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- Subject: A child's guide to lying with statistics
- Message-ID: <1290@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
- From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Date: 31 Dec 92 23:14:26 GMT
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- In article <C05BC3.6GE@ra.nrl.navy.mil> psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
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- #1989 Ed. STATISTICAL ABSTR OF THE U.S. - Bureau of Census:
- # by 1972 180 women died from abortions in the US.
- # in 1972 there were 38,000 illegal abortions
-
- Note the lack of primary sources.
-
- Note the first number is "by 1972" and the second number is "in 1972."
-
- Note that there is no explanation for the methodology used to determine
- the number of illegal abortions.
-
- #1978 American Journal of Obstetrics & Gyn.
- # study claims that the legalization of abortion "has had no major impact
- # on the number of women dying from abortion"
-
- Note the lack of specific reference. (Does anyone remember the guy
- who cited Lancet and then went away?)
-
- Note the carefully chosen quote (and lack of context.)
-
- #"A Speaker's and Debater's Notebook" NARAL 1978
- # claims that before 1973 the maternal death rate from illegal abortions was
- # 40 deaths per 100,000 with 200,000 illegal abortions per year.
-
- Note the lack of evidence to contradict this statement.
-
- Note the lack of evidence that a NARAL official admitted this number
- was false. (Not even Bernie Nathanson's old lie, I'm surprised to
- see.)
-
- #Spin away folks!
-
- Note the complete lack of documentation for the "90% of all illegal
- abortions were performed by doctors in their offices" claim.
-
- ## There is plenty of evidence to support this. Ever hear of Romania?
- ##check
- ## out the October 1992 issue of the American Journal of Public Health
- ##(volume
- ## 82, issue number 10). An article titled "The Public Health Consequences
- ##of
- ## Restricted Induced Abortion - Lessons From Romania" begins on page 1328.
- #
- ##
- ## Some of the findings:
- #
- # [ long list of stats deleted - PL]
- #
- #For crying out loud, Heather, I can't believe that you would use stats
- #on a government run by that butcher dictator, Ceaucescu to support your
- #claims. Talk of mitigating factors - am I to ignore forced pregnancy and genocidal programs he instituted?
-
- No, idiot, you were supposed to realize that what happened in Romania
- is an example of what happens when abortion is illegal. There were
- suction aspirators in Romania, you know. If an abortion is so simple
- that any idiot could perform one safely, then why were there so many
- deaths in Romania? Why are there so many deaths in Brazil? (I could
- go on and on naming countries.)
-
- Susan
-