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- From: clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge)
- Subject: Re: An End to the Sanctity of Human Life Argument
- Message-ID: <1992Dec31.191949.27148@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 92 19:19:49 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec31.120002.1@ulkyvx.louisville.edu> cdpert01@ulkyvx.louisville.edu writes:
- >In article <1992Dec31.042143.2459@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>, clavazzi@nyx.cs.du.edu (The_Doge) writes:
- >> Now please explain why it's morally acceptable for actual, undoubted
- >> human persons to die in the interest of reducing the crime rate, but morally
- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >> unacceptable for zygotes or fetii to die in the interest of reducing the
- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
- >> rates of mental and physical distress and/or illness among women.
- >
- > "Human persons" should be replaced by "convicted murderers" in your
- >appeal -- to make it more specific to the thread.
- Wrong. In the portion of the post you deleted, I pointed out that
- supporting a justice system that employs capital punishment inevitably means
- supporting a system in which *some* of those convicted and executed will, in
- fact, be innocent. Unless you intend to claim that no one ever has or ever
- will be unjustly executed, which is obviously nonsense.
- >Second, your use
- >of "zygotes or fetii" tends to dehumanize the unborn children you're
- >considering (definition of child is an unborn or recently born person).
- Zygote and fetus are medically correct terms. I know they don't fit
- your political agenda, but there it is. One might just as justifiably say
- that you are trying to "humanize" zygotes or embryos.
-
- >Third, using your assumption that abortions reduce the rate of mental
- >distress among women (which is debatable), would you also assume that
- >capital punishment reduces the intensity of mental distress among
- >the families of those murdered? Would this influence your thoughts
- >on capital punishment, or does it only apply to abortion?
- >
- You have no idea what my thoughts on capital punishment are for the
- simple reason that I haven't expressed them. For the record, I am not
- opposed to capital punishment. But then, *I'm* not the one labeling myself
- "pro-life". .
- >> You're really better off just admitting that you're simply anti-
- >> abortion and letting it go at that. Actually claiming to be "pro-life" puts
- >> you in an awkward position, philosophically. Only the Catholic Church seems
- >> to be logically consistent on this matter, since they are opposed to abortion,
- >> capital punishment, and a host of other life-affecting issues.
- >
- > The pro-life/pro-capital punishment position is also
- >logically consistent. It assumes that there is a right-to-life, but, along
- >with this right, there is a responsibility not to murder (i.e. to unlawfully
- >cease another's right-to-life). If one acts irresponsibly, then he is
- >no longer necessarily entitled to his right.
- >
- As I pointed out above (for the second time) they are not at all
- consistent. A justice system employing capital punishment will inevitably
- execute some innocent citizens, no matter how well-designed. Supporting this
- system is therefore inconsistent with an ethical system that places primacy
- on the sanctity of human life. Ditto for all forms or organized warfare,
- widespread availability of firearms, and so on. All of these result in the
- deaths of persons who have done nothing to forfeit their right to life.
-
- The_Doge
- ObQuote: "Life? Don't talk to me about life!"
- -- Marvin the Paranoid Android
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