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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
- References: <C01u1B.7H9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec30.044856.20076@watson.ibm.com> <C030s1.652@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec30.201630.3210@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 17:46:58 GMT
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- mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
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- >In article <C030s1.652@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >>margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
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- >[Deletions]
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- >>>Sounds like you're suggesting that if the couple wanted a child, but their
- >>>financial situation changed after conception so that they could no longer
- >>>afford to have a child, the responsible action would be to get an abortion.
- >>
- >>This is a stupid comment on your part. First of all, you and I both know
- >>the truth is that this is not how these situations arise. Generally,
- >>poor families have more babies for one of two reasons.. 1. Stubborn insistance
- >>on exercising some authority over their lives by having children (ignoring
- >>the needs of the children in doing so) or 2. Seeking to increase welfare
- >>payments from the TAX supported state by adding another starving kid to
- >>the litter.
- >>
- >>They should put it up for adoption and then be reimbursed the expenses
- >>of pregnancy and childbirth if the situation you proposed actually occurred.
- >>
- >You're a truely cold hearted bastard aren't you?
-
- By your definition, perhaps. I'm sure you consider it cold-hearted to
- be more concerned with the needs of helpless, desperate children than the
- irresponsible, uncaring desires of their parents.
-
- >You're publically stating that you would not only force women to give
- >birth to children they don't want, but you would also force peopel to
- >give up children that they *do* want, simply because of their
- >financial status?
-
- I am NOT FORCING A WOMAN TO DO ANYTHING. I did not force her (or the man)
- to have sex. I did not send the sperm up the Fallopian tube. I am simply
- preventing her from murdering a helpless baby which was created as a RESULT
- of HER actions.
-
- I am not advocating taking children from parents because of their financial
- status. I am advocating taking some actions, possibly taking children
- from their parents, if those parents do not demonstrate a desire and
- willingness to improve the situation those children are in. Raising
- a child on welfare is tantamount to murder. If that child never gets
- proper food, he/she will never live up to his/her potential in school.
- The issue here is teaching adults to be responsible for their children.
- This problem wouldn't even exist if people FIRST worked to become financially
- stable and THEN had children. This is the approach taken by
- most college-educated people.
-
- >Here's a clue, you twit.
-
- Oooh.. name-calling... very mature.
-
- >Adoption is ared herring. Uless the infant is Healthy, White, and Less
- >then one year old when placed at the adoption agency, the odds of its
- >ever leaving are vanishingly small.
-
- So what? Are you God? Can you see the future? Can you tell me that in 20
- years that child will ABSOLUTELY NOT be a happy, productive citizen--
- thankful that his mother didn't have him butchered in the womb?
- All I want is to ensure that child gets fed properly.
-
- Read my post above to Heather.
-
- >[More deletions]
-
- >--
- > Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- >These are the views of my employer. They also represent the views of
- >your employer, your government, the Church of your choice, and the
- >Ghost of Elvis. So there.
-
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- Edward Simmonds- Standard disclaimers
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