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- From: parker@ehsn17.cen.uiuc.edu (Robert S. Parker)
- Subject: Re: Sexual Harassment (was Re: Simon you're no ...
- References: <BzD9GL.L7s@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1992Dec20.021358.18235@rotag.mi.org> <1992Dec25.200245.13638@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1992Dec28.012457.16643@rotag.mi.org>
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- Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1992 06:30:49 GMT
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- kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
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- >In article <1992Dec25.200245.13638@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> kcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Keith "Justified And Ancient" Cochran) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec20.021358.18235@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>
- >>[Where's that chainsaw...]
- >>
- >>>Not really. They could opt to just run the risk of a lawsuit. The point here
- >>>is that Cochran has thrown his support behind a "legal restriction" that
- >>>doesn't exist right now. Above, you even admit that persons OTHER than the
- >>>patient, can sign the consent forms, but Cochran made no such qualification
- >>>when he announced his "legal restriction". Above, you seem to admit that
- >>>while the consent forms may "feel" [sic] like a statutory requirement, that
- >>>they may not in fact be a statutory requirement. Unless you have a rabbit to
- >>>pull out of your hat now, I think it's time to admit that no such "legal
- >>>restriction" exists.
- >>
- >>Wrong again, Kebbin. I had six teeth pulled a couple of months ago. They
- >>wouldn't do the surgery until I had signed the form. Obviously, if I was
- >>under the age of consent, my legal guardians would have to sign.
-
- >Was this a statutory requirement, or just something the insurance company
- >(yours and/or your dentist's) required?
-
- >In any case, there's a legal difference between "consent" and "a request".
- >It's a matter of who initiates what. You would mandate abortion "requests".
-
- Hmmm, I'm sure it would sometimes happen that the woman goes in for an
- examination and the doctor says, "Oh, by the way, there seems to be a
- complication with your pregnancy and you should get an abortion; if you'll
- just sign this form...." Yeah, right. [Sarcasm meter reading 99%]
-
- Of course, sometimes it really is medically necessary to terminate a pregnancy.
- Perhaps K Cochran could tell us whether his alleged "request" requirement would
- count this as an exception. If so, then it is pretty obvious that the
- "requirement" is already handled by medical procedure. I find it hard to
- believe that he would *not* allow that as an exception, since even the pro-life
- supporters allow an abortion if the mother's life is at risk.
-
- Aside from the case of a medical need for an abortion, can you give an example
- where a doctor could ethically suggest an abortion?
- Just to clarify a bit: If the woman is unsure of what to do and asks to
- discuss options with her doctor, and the doctor mentions abortion as a possible
- option, and she decides on abortion as her choice then I would consider it to
- be "requesting" an abortion; perhaps K Cochran woul, too.
-
- > - Kevin
-
- -Rob
-