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- From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Keywords: another pro-forcer with no support for his claims
- Message-ID: <1239@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 22:35:05 GMT
- References: <1992Dec29.175100.20873@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> <1216@blue.cis.pitt.edu> <C01Lux.16A@ra.nrl.navy.mil>
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- In article <C01Lux.16A@ra.nrl.navy.mil> psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
- #In article <1216@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
- ## In article <1992Dec29.175100.20873@cbnewsj.cb.att.com>
- ##decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- ## #In article <C015K3.Ip4@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow)
- ##writes:
- ## ## Guess what Muriel? There were fewer abortion related deaths back then
- ## ##than
- ## ## now -
- ## #
- ## #Have you any support for this assertion? ...
- ##
- ## He can't support the assertion. It isn't true.
-
- And, indeed, he provides no support for his assertion. As I said,
- it isn't true, so he can't support it. I wonder why he thinks
- that anyone should believe him.
-
- ## If he read books on abortion that were written ...
-
- (Obviously Lebow doesn't want to know about what really happened in
- the U.S.)
-
- ## If he read books on abortion in Great Britain, he would see
-
- (Obviously Lebow doesn't want to know what really happened in
- Great Britain.)
-
- ## If he read books about abortion-related deaths today
-
- (Obviously Lebow doesn't want to know what's really happening
- now.)
-
- ## Jack Willke argues that no woman ever used a coat hanger to
- ## abort.
- #
- #I have no reason to believe what Jack Willke says.
-
- I have no reason to believe what Paul Lebow says, either.
-
- ## Some people believe his argument. The people who
- ## do are usually men who can't imagine anyone desperate enough
- ## to put something like a coat hanger inside her.
- #
- #Susan - I have to say that this is pure bullshit. It makes you feel good convince yourself that most pro-lifer's are men. Guess again, misanthropist.
-
- Was this meant to be responsive to what I said, or were you
- changing the subject?
-
- I said nothing about the gender composition of either side of the
- abortion debate. I said that people who found the concept of
- coat hanger abortions hard to believe were generally male.
- Maybe you could get someone to explain the difference between
- what I said and the argument that you ascribed to me to you.
-
- ## I've
- ## known women who did just that. People have stated publicly
- ## that they did just that. Willke claims it's all a conspiracy,
- ## and that all these women are lying. I wonder how he'd react
- ## to the story that my best friend's grandmother, who believes
- ## abortion is murder and watched her friend die from a self-
- ## induced coat hanger abortion, tells. Why would she lie?
- #
- #I'm sure she isn't.
- #Are you responding to Mr. Willke (obviously your pet punching bag) or me?
-
- I was responding to a witless person named Lebow who was ranting
- about the low number of deaths before Roe.
-
- As far as I know, Jack Willke has never posted to t.a.
- #
- #
- ## I think the attempt by the right-to-lie people ...simply don't care if their
- ## brood sow lives or dies.
- #
- #Well, there is some hope for you. At least you feel compelled to dehumanize people before insulting them.
-
- I doubt that there's hope for you. You claim to have read t.a. for
- a year, yet you're rehashing old arguments that have been played
- out many times in that time period. The only clue that you seem
- to have picked up is how to edit other people's words so that you
- can misrepresent what they said.
-
- Do you care if women die, Lebow?
-
- Susan
-