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- From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.161156.9317@hemlock.cray.com>
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- References: <C01L6s.11v@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <1992Dec30.111143.29938@hemlock.cray.com> <1992Dec30.192012.7684@mksol.dseg.ti.com>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 16:11:56 CST
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- In article <1992Dec30.192012.7684@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec30.111143.29938@hemlock.cray.com>, mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >|> In article <C01L6s.11v@ra.nrl.navy.mil> psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
-
- >|> >
- >|> >You are a bitter person Muriel.
- >|> >
- >|> Actually, not most of the time. When I run across
- >|> a MalePerson who wouldn't mind seeing more women die
- >|> if he could just save the CuteWarmFuzzyFetuses, it
- >|> does leave a funny taste in my mouth.
- >
- >Do you believe that a male does not have a right to hold an opinion
- >on this issue? I have encountered such women before, and constructive
- >debate was ended before it began. I will assume otherwise.
-
- I believe that a male who wishes to enact legislation
- restricting a woman's rights to determine how her
- body can be used has some important questions to
- answer.
-
- >
- >|> >> I almost lost my best friend to a self-induced abortion
- >|> >> in 1969. I do not want to see one of my daughters lose
- >|> >> a friend in this manner.
- >|> >
- >|> >I'm impressed by your statistics. T-test anyone?
- >|> >
- >|> Why is it that you find it so easy to empathize
- >|> wth a preconscious organism, and so utterly impossible
- >|> to comprehend the feelings of a woman who would really
- >|> rather die than remain pregnant?
- >
- >Why do you think Paul does not sympathize with the women who are in
- >these straits? I admit I do not know Paul, but to assume that anti-
- >abortionists do not see the evil of illegal abortions is improper.
-
- He's been ranting about how this one is a red herring
- for some time now. He seems to feel that losing a few
- lawbreaking women is acceptable if he can save those
- fetuses.
-
- >It becomes a matter of selecting between two evils. Many more
-
- Then WHOSE choice should it be? You would not perhaps,
- defer to the one who has to make the necessary sacrifices
- to bring a pregnancy to term, would you?
-
- >legal abortions are performed each year (millions) than deaths of
- >women in back-alley illegal abortions (thousands perhaps?) years
- >ago. An anti-abortionist is making the agonizing decision between
- >millions of deaths and thousands of deaths. There is no good
- >choice, only the lesser of two evils.
- >
- I don't think the pro-legislation crowd agonizes
- over this one. They don't seem to have any understanding
- of the nature of _individual_ choice at all.
-
- Even if a fetus is a person, which I don't believe, can
- you show me any other instance where the bodily resources
- of one person may be commandeered for the use of another?
- Those who support legislation against abortion rights
- advocate a system in which pregnant women enjoy fewer rights
- than all other born humans. Forgive me if I mistrust those
- who would trade away the freedom of others for their own
- moral warmfuzzys.
-
- muriel
- standard disclaimer
-