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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: Spoken Like a True ProLifer
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- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 17:04:48 GMT
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- margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
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- >In <C01u1B.7H9@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >>
- >>Those poor, homeless and hungry children should have had parents responsible
- >>enough to realize they couldn't afford to feed children. If they could
- >>have controlled their hormones there wouldn't be a problem. You tell me which
- >>is the worse crime, society refusing to pay deadbeats or deadbeats knowingly
- >>bringing children into the world whom they cannot feed. Would any decent
- >>person bring children into this world to watch them starve? I think not.
-
- >Sounds like you're suggesting that if the couple wanted a child, but their
- >financial situation changed after conception so that they could no longer
- >afford to have a child, the responsible action would be to get an abortion.
-
- This is a stupid comment on your part. First of all, you and I both know
- the truth is that this is not how these situations arise. Generally,
- poor families have more babies for one of two reasons.. 1. Stubborn insistance
- on exercising some authority over their lives by having children (ignoring
- the needs of the children in doing so) or 2. Seeking to increase welfare
- payments from the TAX supported state by adding another starving kid to
- the litter.
-
- They should put it up for adoption and then be reimbursed the expenses
- of pregnancy and childbirth if the situation you proposed actually occurred.
-
- >>Abortion is murder. It's not a question of just the mother's life, but also
- >>the baby's. The laws of this country already state that murder is wrong so
- >>in fact the state already has control over this issue.
-
- >But murder is illegal, and abortion is legal. I guess abortion is *not*
- >murder after all.
-
- Another brainless one-liner comment with no forethought behind it. Did
- you think I was not aware that unborn baby killing is legal? Just because
- the LEGAL definition of murder has surrendered to the liberal, self-serving,
- do-anything-I-want-with-no-personal-responsibility-or-repercussions wing
- of society doesn't mean abortion isn't murder. My point was that society has
- always considered murder wrong, and has allowed personal liberties to be
- curtailed in order to proscribe it legally. This is the function of
- government. Instituting a government always involves sacrificing personal
- liberties to ensure protection of property and other rights. Go read
- Locke and get back to me when you understand this. The primary job of
- government IS to RESTRICT actions which violate the basic rights of its
- citizens, primarily the right to LIFE.
-
-
- >--
- >Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
-
- Edward Simmonds
-
- - I am right, you are wrong, coo coo cah choo cah coo coo cah choo -
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