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- From: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
- Subject: Arranging for "The Care of A Child" as part of Male Choice...
- X-To: MICHAL LEAH PERI
- Organization: The Zoo of Ids
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 03:23:00 GMT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.040047.20254@zooid.guild.org>
- Sender: Will Steeves <goid@zooid.guild.org>
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- peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Peri) writes...
- >beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >>In article <1gg8smINN5tc@gap.caltech.edu> peri@cco.caltech.edu (Michal Leah Pe
- >i) writes:
- >>Thus, your position seems to be that any man who sleeps with a woman
- >>should have the same legal rights as a sperm donor.
-
- >He would be exempted if and only if a specific written agreement for the
- >care of the child, existed (and was held valid by the state) prior to
- >conception. You will note that this is currently required of sperm banks.
-
-
- Ah, Michal, NOW you've changed the rules somewhat...
-
- First of all, I still believe that you consider a man's consent to sexual
- activity to be an implicit agreement to raise a child. Regardless of whether
- "a woman's body is involved," I do *not* support the notion of involuntary
- consent. Indeed, if abortion *were* outlawed, and the man wanted to keep the
- child, and the woman did not, your own belief that "a child has the right to be
- supported" would mean that you believe that the woman should be forced to
- parent the child as well, due to the father's decision to raise the child.
-
- Still, I find it interesting that a man *can* have freedom of choice if there
- is an agreement as to the care of a child by alternate parents. To this end,
- I would suggest that a man unwilling to parent a child, during the months
- before viability, should submit a proposal to the mother, with respect to her
- care of the child. Though I suggest this sarcastically if anything, this
- *ought* to convince any woman who isn't capable of self-supporting a child,
- that it truly *is* an impossible dream. Now although the first suggestion
- was clearly *meant* to be sarcastic, I *would* like to see couples signing
- *some* sort of Pre-Sex Contract, though *not* the kind which is a consent
- to sex, but merely an agreement between the partners as to how any resulting
- child will be cared for, if he doesn't wish to be a parent, while she does.
-
-
- Also, I'd also like you to respond to Gordon Storga's request re: securing
- proof that "children have the right to be supported by both parents", if you
- haven't already responded to him.
-
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