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- From: bskendig@netcom.com (Brian Kendig)
- Subject: Re: You ARE killing
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.210358.14916@netcom.com>
- Organization: Starfleet Headquarters: San Francisco
- References: <1992Dec29.173600.14785@fuug.fi>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 21:03:58 GMT
- Lines: 75
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- an4149@anon.penet.fi writes:
- >You state that because a fetus may not survive without intervention outside the
- >womb that it is not a life and therefore may be terminated at our convenience.
-
- No, I've never seen anyone state that; I don't even agree with it. A
- fetus is a life, unargably. You're on the right track, though, when
- you say that it may be terminated because it can't survive (with or
- without intervention) outside the womb. Think about this for a little
- while.
-
- >After birth, and for some years children are not capable of surviving without
- >intervention, therefore we should be able terminate their life when they become
- >an inconvenience.
-
- Now you're on the wrong track. Abortion isn't about terminating
- lives; it's about freeing a woman from the fetus that's using her for
- its development. If there were some way to remove the fetus from her
- body without harming her or resulting in the death of the fetus, then
- abortions would become completely unnecessary.
-
- Children, on the other hand, aren't making any demands on your body,
- and putting them up for adoption won't cause any physical harm to them
- or to you.
-
- >The majority homeless and poor in our society would not be able to survive if
- >it were not for outside intervention of some form, we should therefore be able
- >to terminate their life when they become an inconvenience.
-
- This is another common pro-life tactic, but it's a strawman. There is
- a difference between relying on SOCIETY or A GROUP OF PEOPLE, and
- being totally dependent on ONE SPECIFIC PERSON.
-
- >Granted these arguments are absurd, but no more so than those that state that a
- >fetus is not a human life. Argueably it does not experience life as we know it
- >but, does this make its life any less than our own?
-
- Okay, let's pull out Mr. Hypothetical Situation. Let's say I'm
- connected to you in some way, drawing resources from your body and
- meanwhile also putting your body at physical risk. Let's say also
- that disconnecting me would result in my death. Do I have the right
- to demand that you continue to support me, even if this goes against
- your wishes? I believe that I don't have any right to demand that
- from you. That's what it means to be pro-choice.
-
- >We demand that responsible pet owners spay and nueter or otherwise prevent
- >their pets from mating to control unplanned and unwanted pet pregnancies.
- >We are willing to make these decisions concerning our pets, but we will not
- >take similar responsibility over our own animal instincts.
-
- We won't? What do you call contraception, then? What do you call
- vasectomies and tubal ligations? But even these aren't 100% foolproof...
-
- You're also ignoring a lot of other important issues. Not every
- abortion takes place because a girl has had unprotected sex with a guy
- and accidentally gotten pregnant. Sometimes a woman has an abortion
- because her fetus is so deformed as to face a short, painful life,
- even though she really wants a baby. Sometimes a woman has an
- abortion because she is physically or emotionally unable or unwilling
- to carry a fetus to term. The cases aren't always as simple as you'd
- make them out to be.
-
- >During an abortion, you are taking a life. Your actions and motives determine
- >YOUR true worth as a human being.
-
- Agreed. And I believe I'm defending the most inalienable right of a
- human being -- the right to her or his body. That another innocent
- human life must die to preserve this freedom is regrettable, but I
- hope that we will find a way around this someday.
-
- --
- _/_/_/ Brian Kendig Je ne suis fait comme aucun
- /_/_/ bskendig@netcom.com de ceux que j'ai vus; j'ose croire
- _/_/ n'etre fait comme aucun de ceux qui existent.
- / Nolite te bastardes Si je ne vaux pas mieux, au moins je suis autre.
- / carborundorum. -- Rousseau
-