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- From: adams@spss.com (Steve Adams)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: You ARE killing
- Message-ID: <adams.725663063@spssig>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 21:04:23 GMT
- References: <1992Dec29.173600.14785@fuug.fi>
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- Organization: SPSS Inc.
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- an4149@anon.penet.fi writes:
-
- Well, now this is real courage....an anonymous posting...
-
- >You state that because a fetus may not survive without intervention outside
- >the womb that it is not a life and therefore may be terminated at our
- >convenience.
- >
- >After birth, and for some years children are not capable of surviving without
- >intervention, therefore we should be able terminate their life when they
- >become an inconvenience.
-
- Small difference...LOCATION...and also who is the 'intervener.' Basically,
- once a child is born, *ANY* adult can care for the child. They do NOT need
- their mother...or their father, at least physically. I do just fine taking
- care of my kids when my wife's not around.
-
- On the other hand, a fetus requires the care of a specific person, whos
- health and/or life may be endangered, or who may not be in a postion to
- care for the fetus.
-
- Do you fail to see the difference? Total dependence in the first case (ie
- the fetus) is on one specific person who may suffer harm. In the second
- case (the baby), the child requires nourishment, shelter and other basic
- case. This could come from a robot, if necessary, if we ignore the
- emotional needs for a moment.
-
- Big difference, non?
-
- >The majority homeless and poor in our society would not be able to survive if
- >it were not for outside intervention of some form, we should therefore be able
- >to terminate their life when they become an inconvenience.
- Again, they are not dependent on a single person, nor generally threaten
- physical damage or harm to the person providing the assistance.
-
- >Granted these arguments are absurd
- First correct thing you said in the post!
-
- >, but no more so than those that state that a
- >fetus is not a human life. Argueably it does not experience life as we
- >know it but, does this make its life any less than our own?
- It is human (ie of the species Homo sapiens) and it is 'life', but the
- fetus does not have any rights which override the rights of the mother to
- bodily autonomy and the right to protect herself from potential harm.
-
- >We demand that responsible pet owners spay and nueter or otherwise prevent
- >their pets from mating to control unplanned and unwanted pet pregnancies.
- >We are willing to make these decisions concerning our pets, but we will not
- >take similar responsibility over our own animal instincts.
- Birth control can and does fail. Are you suggesting forced sterilization?
- What do you do in the case of a woman who uses proper protection and still
- finds herself pregnant? Or in cases of rape or incest? Or whose life is
- endangered? And by the way, abortion can be a responsible action...
-
- >During an abortion, you are taking a life. Your actions and motives determine
- >YOUR true worth as a human being.
-
- That's right...and in some cases, the correct and responsible decision may
- well be to abort.
-
- -Steve
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