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- From: sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1216@blue.cis.pitt.edu>
- Date: 29 Dec 92 18:23:30 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec29.175100.20873@cbnewsj.cb.att.com> decay@cbnewsj.cb.att.com (dean.kaflowitz) writes:
- #In article <C015K3.Ip4@ra.nrl.navy.mil>, psl@nrl.navy.mil (Paul Lebow) writes:
- ## Guess what Muriel? There were fewer abortion related deaths back then than
- ## now -
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- #Have you any support for this assertion? Does your support take
- #into account the change in number of abortions? Does your support
- #also note any changes in the relative safety of abortion versus
- #childbirth, and does your support take into account changes
- #in the relative safety of childbirth from then to now? And
- #while you're at it, define "then" and "now."
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- He can't support the assertion. It isn't true.
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- If he read books on abortion that were written in the U.S. before
- 1973, he'd see estimates of abortion-related deaths that far
- exceed the numbers of abortion-related deaths after 1973.
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- If he read books on abortion in Great Britain, he would see
- that the numbers of *reported* abortion-related deaths before
- abortion was legalized there were much, much larger than
- the numbers of such deaths after abortion was legalized.
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- If he read books about abortion-related deaths today in
- countries where abortion is currently illegal, he'd realize
- that the legality of the procedure affects its safety.
-
- Jack Willke argues that no woman ever used a coat hanger to
- abort. Some people believe his argument. The people who
- do are usually men who can't imagine anyone desperate enough
- to put something like a coat hanger inside her. I've
- known women who did just that. People have stated publicly
- that they did just that. Willke claims it's all a conspiracy,
- and that all these women are lying. I wonder how he'd react
- to the story that my best friend's grandmother, who believes
- abortion is murder and watched her friend die from a self-
- induced coat hanger abortion, tells. Why would she lie?
-
- I think the attempt by the right-to-lie people to pretend
- that women don't die when abortion is illegal is an obvious
- manipulation of the truth to spare them the embarrassment
- of admitting that they simply don't care if their brood
- sow lives or dies.
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- Susan
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