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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Dec29.102920.21340@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1992Dec23.065254.17977@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1992Dec25.034713.4354@rotag.mi.org> <1992Dec28.031014.15105@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1992 10:29:20 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec28.031014.15105@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec25.034713.4354@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec23.065254.17977@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>
- >>>Can you produce any evidence that anybody is performing post-26 week
- >>>terminations and *not* attempting to salvage the fetus? So far, you've
- >>>completly failed to do this.
- >>
- >>Okay, Mark, if a 28-week pregnant woman asked for a D&E abortion, and there
- >>were NO unusual medical conditions diagnosed, do you think, from the viewpoint
- >>of medical ethics, she should be allowed to get her D&E? After that, please
- >>answer the same question from your own personal moral viewpoint. If the two
- >>answers differ, will you finally admit that the pseudo-proposal to "handle
- >>abortion as strictly a medical matter" is naive and unworkable, since medical
- >>ethics alone can't address the vast tapestry of legal/historical/sociological/
- >>economic factors that legislation can?
- >>
- >From the medical ethics viewpoint: No. Medical ethics require that
- >ever effort be made to salvage a viable fetus, and a 28 weeker is
- >connsidered to be (marginally) viable.
-
- Is this "duty to salvage" specifically written anywhere? Or is this just
- your loose interpretation of medical ethics?
-
- >From my personal viewpoint: No, because my personal ethics also
- >require that I make every effort to salvage a viable fetus, and a 28
- >weeker is considered to be (margianally) viable.
-
- What if the law REQUIRED you to kill the viable fetus at the mother's request,
- Mark? Then what? Would you violate the law, or your own personal and medical
- principles?
-
- (And don't even start with that "it'd never happen" crap. I tire of such
- evasions.)
-
- >Medical ethics is certainly more capable of addressing the vast
- >tapestry of legal/historical/sociological/economic factors as they
- >relate to a medical choice then are a bunch of lawyers.
-
- I disagree. Medical ethics knows nothing about economic theory. Medical
- ethics is largely oblivious to evolving social awareness. Medical ethics
- reflects the narrow class and professional biases of those who formulate
- it. As for the alternative, let's note first that not all legislators are
- lawyers (the most common "other" profession of Michigan legislators, for
- instance, is teacher, not lawyer). Secondly, let's also note that our whole
- political process is geared towards giving representation and empowerment to
- those who might not otherwise have it -- the poor, the ignorant, etc. --
- and whose interests are NOT necessarily represented adequately by physicians
- formulating their beloved canons of ethics.
-
- Call it a distrust of doctors, call it a loathing of cosy little cliques,
- but I'd rather open up the issue to a wider forum than just the Golden
- Stethoscope Elite...
-
- >Speaking of economics Kebbin...
- >You have repeatedly argued in favor of legislation that would,
- >according to you, force medical intervention to save the lifes of
- >fetuses after termination of pregnancy.
-
- This is incorrect. I have not spoken in support of any such legislation.
- The rest of your article, which was premised on this incorrect assumption,
- has been deleted without further comment from me.
-
- - Kevin
-