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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: Male Choice Revi (1)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.021826.17011@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <PATRICK.92Dec22081734@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> <1992Dec25.050200.4979@rotag.mi.org> <PATRICK.92Dec25114915@rio-grande.is.rice.edu>
- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1992 02:18:26 GMT
- Lines: 83
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- In article <PATRICK.92Dec25114915@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec25.050200.4979@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >
- > In article <PATRICK.92Dec22081734@rio-grande.is.rice.edu> patrick@rio-grande.is.rice.edu (Patrick L Humphrey) writes:
- > >In article <1992Dec22.040403.24705@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- > >
- > > In article <1h4tcgINNoo8@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard) writes:
- > > >
- > > > [...]
- > > >
- > > >>You didn't state your claims as a BELIEFS, however; you stated them as
- > > >>**FACTS**. In one place, you said [...]
- > > >
- > > >You will note, won't you, clueless twit, the line above that says:
- > > >I have freely admitted to this net, and to Don, that I do not have the
- > > >archive to repost what I claimed that Don said.
- > >
- > > Admitting lack of substantiation is not the same as retraction, Adrienne.
- > > Confession != reparation.
- > >
- > > Stop scrambling for an easy way out -- retract your lie about Don.
- > >
- > >So tell me, Mr. Wizard -- how do you retract an opinion, anyway?
- >
- > Neither of the following unsubstantiated statements from Adrienne (which I'll
- > note she conveeeeniently deleted in her response to me) express an "opinion",
- > Humpty, they express FACTS:
- >
- > "We've just seen Steve Kellmeyer and Don Beaver come out of the closet on
- > this issue: they don't want women to have the right to abort."
- > 16 Nov 1992 12:04:09 -0800
- > <1e8urpINNkjl@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- >
- >That sure looks like an opinion to me...
-
- Wrong. It's a factual assertion on Adrienne's part. It's ABOUT an opinion,
- i.e. Beaver's alleged pro-life view, but it is not, itself, stated as
- an opinion. Compare "I think Don Beaver doesn't want women to have the right
- to abort". That would be a statement of opinion. That's not what Adrienne
- said, however.
-
- > "Well, I asked Don, on this net. And he said he'd be perfectly happy to use
- > his vote as blackmail."
- > 20 Nov 1992 08:22:30 -0800
- > <1ej3c6INNib1@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com>
- >
- >Of course, for all anyone knows, you could have lifted that out from
- >something that has nothing to do with what you're whining about.
-
- But I didn't, Humpty, and no-one except you has even accused me of that.
- You're grasping at straws, man. Are you willing to be dragged under by
- Adrienne's dishonesty and egotism?
-
- > Adrienne can retract these false statements of fact in the following manner:
- >
- > I, Adrienne Regard, hereby retract my claims that Don Beaver a) has
- > publically declared that he doesn't want women to have the right to
- > abort, and b) said he'd be perfectly happy to use his vote as blackmail.
- >
- >Cute, Kebbin. I expect now you'll start claiming she actually retracted
- >them by quoting this statement -- that you created -- as substantiation.
-
- What are you babbling about now? What basis do you have for this "expectation"?
-
- > I'm sure Don would appreciate an apology too, but then, if Adrienne's ego is
- > so huge that she fights this hard to avoid just _retracting_ her false
- > statements, imagine how unlikely it is that she'll ever actually _apologize_
- > for them...
- >
- >[...] you have in no way proved that she's done any such thing as you accuse
- >her of,
-
- Those quotes stand as proof. You are perfectly willing to try defending her,
- Humpty, since she seems unable and/or unwilling to defend herself. Go on,
- try to show how those quotes are "out of context". Try to produce some
- substantiation of what she said. You'll fail miserably, if you even have the
- backbone to try in the first place...
-
- Alternatively, you could slink off and hide back under your rock, hoping and
- praying that everyone will eventually forget Adrienne's lies, and your feeble,
- impotent attempts to defend them.
-
- - Kevin
-