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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.025558.14813@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Mon, 28 Dec 92 02:55:58 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec25.042943.4640@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec22.061712.28416@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec21.003824.21422@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>>In article <1992Dec20.044415.25283@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >>>>In article <BzEy8s.7x8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian) writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>>It is kind of funny how it's "okay" to yank a baby out of the womb piece
- >>>>>by piece, yet it's "wrong" to let a newborn die a gentle death from
- >>>>>hypothermia.
- >>>>>
- >>>>>The subject begs further reflection and dialogue.
- >>>>>
- >>>>And it would be nice if you tried to find some facts before the next
- >>>>time you post.
- >>>>Anybody who describes hypothermia as a gentle death is doing a fine
- >>>>job of displaying a severe case of ignorance.
- >>>
- >>>Then enlighten us, O Great One. Is the pain and gruesome violence of being
- >>>hacked to bits comparable to slipping away into permanent hypothermic
- >>>unconsciousness? We thirst for knowledge.
- >>>
- >>Hypothermia is not a gentle way to die. Ask anybody who has seen it
- >>happen.
- >
- >RELATIVELY speaking, though, compared to being "hacked to bits", is it not
- >a gentle way to die?
- >
- That would depend entirely on the circumstances Kebbin.
- If you're talking about a real, alive, sentient being being "hacked to
- bits" then perhaps so. If you are (and I must assume you are, since
- this is talk.abortion...) talking about hypothermia vs some method of
- abortion, then I would say the "hacked to bits" is gentler. For the
- simple reason that the fetus is dead before it is "hacked to bits". It
- can't feel anything Kebbin. Not true of the person who is freezing to
- death.
-
- >>As for the "pain and gruesome violence" bit , can you show me
- >>any people who have been so killed? I mean, other the Jeff Dalhmers
- >>victims.
- >
- >I decline to quibble over "personhood", Cochran. It is true, however, that
- >some abortion methods (D&C? D&E?) involve, in layperson's terms,
- >"hacking to bits", do they not? That is my only point here.
- >
- Given that the fetus is neither alive at that point, nor capable of
- feeling, what is your problem with this method?
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
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