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- From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Dec24.161153.23753@hemlock.cray.com>
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- References: <1992Dec22.174359.23172@ncsu.edu> <1992Dec23.103815.21024@hemlock.cray.com> <1992Dec23.232420.10091@ncsu.edu>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 16:11:53 CST
-
- In article <1992Dec23.232420.10091@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.103815.21024@hemlock.cray.com>
- >mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson) writes:
- >
- >> Gee, Doug. When are we going to see some evidence
- >> from you that a fetus is _capable_ of bodily autonomy?
- >
- >When are we going to see a definition of "bodily autonomy"
- >which successfully manages to distinguish between the born
- >and the not-yet born?
-
- You did, Doug.
-
- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
- From: mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson)
- Subject: Autonomy (was Re: Abortion and Infanticide)
- Message-ID: <1992Jul22.164302.460@hemlock.cray.com>
- Lines: 29
- References: <1992Jul19.194752.18295@ncsu.edu> <1992Jul21.215735.15272@spool.cs.wisc.edu>
- <1992Jul22.014836.6377@ncsu.edu>
- Date: 22 Jul 92 16:43:02 CDT
-
- In article <1992Jul22.014836.6377@ncsu.edu> dsh@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) wr
- ites:
-
- >But why doesn't the fetus enjoy the same right to bodily autonomy?
-
- autonomy, n.
-
- 1. The quality or state of being self-governing
- 2. A self-governing state
- 3. Self-directing freedom esp. moral independence
-
- source: Webster's Ninth New College Dictionary
-
- In the first place, it is difficult to imagine a
- self-governing or self-directing state for an entity
- which is completely contained within the body of
- another.
-
- In the second place, it's impossible for the woman
- and the fetus to have 'the same right to bodily
- autonomy'. If you start awarding any rights whatever
- to fetuses, you do so only by removing rights from
- the woman who must defer to it. Since a fetus is
- generally incapable of enjoying or expressing such
- things as 'self-directing freedom', removing the
- autonomy rights of the woman in favor of the fetus
- seems ludicrous.
-
- muriel
- standard disclaimer
-
- ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-
- Just in case anyone thinks that I have not troubled
- to answer this request before.
-
- muriel
- standard disclaimer
-
-