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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: ABORTION: WHEN Does Human Life BEGIN?!
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- References: <1992Dec17.184619.2900@cnsvax.uwec.edu>
- Date: 24 Dec 92 01:29:57 GMT
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- In <1992Dec17.184619.2900@cnsvax.uwec.edu> mcelwre@cnsvax.uwec.edu writes:
-
- [I've added talk.religion.misc and alt.atheism]
-
- > ABORTION: WHEN DOES HUMAN LIFE BEGIN?
-
- > The debate about the abortion issue really boils down to
- > a question of when human life begins. Many "pro-lifers" are
- > fundamentalist Christians but are unable to quote any clear
- > statements from their Bible indicating that human life begins
- > at conception. [And most of them, especially the Catholics,
- > are also against artificial birth control, which would
- > PREVENT the unwanted pregnancies to begin with!] They are
- > apparently either ignorant of, or ignoring, GENESIS 2:7,
- > which states: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the
- > ground, and breathed into his nostrils the BREATH OF LIFE,
- > and man became a living Soul.".
-
- I'm not clued into the fine points of these matters, so let me ask:
- Does this mean infanticide is biblically NOT murder if it is done
- before the baby draws its first breath? I mean, after it is outside
- the womb, otherwise I wouldn't call it infanticide.
-
- Backing up :-) a bit: what portion of the baby must be outside the
- birth canal before killing it is considered murder in present-day
- America? Does the answer change if it is a breech delivery?
-
- > This Biblical statement indicates that human life begins
- > (Soul enters its new body) WHEN THE BODY TAKES ITS FIRST
- > BREATH OF AIR OUT-side THE WOMB. Therefore, if an aborted
- > fetus's lungs are too undeveloped to breathe, or if an older
- > fetus is biologically terminated INside the womb, then that
- > abortion can NOT be called "murder", because NO Soul was
- > present in the fetus.
-
- I tend to doubt whether the breath was invested with the same significance
- that people nowadays attach to the word "Soul".
-
- Considering how gullible the poster is about Edgar Cayce, about whom he
- speaks in the present tense (when was the last time he talked to Edgar?
- was the seance conducted by Whoopi Goldberg, perchance?), I rather
- tend to doubt *anything* he says in this particular post that I haven't
- found out for myself.
-
- His naive unqualified faith in birth control above (sheesh, even operations
- to induce sterility aren't 100% reliable in that respect) also does not
- speak well of him.
-
- > Another thing to consider is that each of us is
- > surrounded by a protective energy field usually called an
- > "AURA". A few people, including the late Edgar Cayce, can
- > actually see colored AURAs around people. The Canadian
- > scientist Frances Nixon developed a way to locate the boun-
- > daries of a person's AURA.
- >
- > One of the AURA's main purposes is to shield out
- > discarnate entities from a person's body. If an AURA becomes
- > weak, because of illness, injury, etc., discarnate entities
- > can sometimes invade and cause insanity, multiple personali-
- > ties, etc..
-
- > THE AURA OF A HEALTHY PREGNANT MOTHER WOULD LIKEWISE
- > PREVENT A SOUL FROM ENTERING THE FETUS INSIDE HER.
-
- Remainder of post mercifully deleted.
-
- Peter Nyikos
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