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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Petey Ny, check reality, try again
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- Date: 24 Dec 92 00:07:10 GMT
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- In <1093@blue.cis.pitt.edu> sgast+@pitt.edu (Susan Garvin) writes:
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- >Abortion providers do have the same responsibility to provide
- >information to their patients as other doctors do, Mark. The
- >court cases that PHoney cites don't have anything to do with
- >informed consent in medical terms - they have to do with a
- >stae-written script detailing the abortion procedure, fetal
- >development, possible complications, and other things. These
- >state speeches are designed to discourage abortion, not to
- >inform anyone.
-
- Nice try, Susan, but you are talking about Pennsylvania [what's
- the weather been like in Pittsburgh?] and here in South Carolina
- things are a little different [not just weather-wise]. You see,
- the South Carolina bill that the ACLU head honcho helped defeat
- only mandated that the woman be told about MEDICAL RISKS. As to
- alternatives to abortion, fetal development, etc it would only
- have required that she be given the OPTION of viewing these materials
- if she so desires.
-
- But thanks for the info on Blackmun's dissent. The old Shogun is
- still true to form. Note how he equivocates below: his description
- could refer either to the kind of bill that the "pro-choice"
- organizations helped defeat here, or one in which ALL the information
- must be provided to the woman.
-
- >If Nyikos thinks that quotes from dissents are relevant,
- >then I'll give him one back. (It includes part of the
- >text from the Thornburgh decision, rather than the dissent.)
- >The following is from Blackmun's dissent in PP v. Casey:
-
- >"Thornburgh invalidated biased patient-counseling requirements
- >virtually identical to the one at issue here. What we said of
- >those requirements fully applies in this case:
- >-the listing of agencies in the printed Pennsylvania form presents
- >serious problems; it contains names of agencies that well may be
- >out of step with the needs of the particular woman and thus places
- >the physician inan awkward position and infringes upon his or her
- >professional responsibilities. Forcing the physician or counselor
- >to present the materials and the list to the woman
-
- This could refer to a closed folder or envelope which the woman can either
- open or not open as she chooses. Does it actually do so?
-
- >-This type of compelled information is the antithesis of informed
- >consent, id., at 764, and goes far beyond merely describing the
- >general subject matter relevant to the woman's decision. -That
- >the court does not, and surely would not, compel similar disclosure
- >of every possible peril of necessary surgery or of simple
- >vaccination, reveals the anti-abortion character of the statute
- >and its real purpose. Ibid."
-
- Heh. It is MANDATED by law that we be informed about not only the
- mortality rate from measles vaccine, but also the statistical risks
- of major complications. No such mandate exists for abortion here.
-
- Peter Nyikos
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