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- From: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.225446.9396@ncsu.edu>
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- Reply-To: dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger)
- Organization: North Carolina State University
- References: <1992Dec22.051351.4921@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Dec22.203138.23098@netcom.com> <1992Dec22.212341.496@ncsu.edu> <1992Dec23.051047.18463@netcom.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:54:46 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec23.051047.18463@netcom.com>
- ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- >dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes ...
- >>ray@netcom.com (Ray Fischer) writes:
- >>>noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
-
- >>>> What are laws if not an attempt to force majority morals on the minority?
-
- >>> Self interest. [...] neither you nor I will be harmed by an abortion.
-
- >> This is why pro-choicers must condone infanticide.
-
- > Both of us know damn well that a lot of people would be gravely
- > harmed by the arbitrary killing of infants.
-
- We're not necessarily talking about the "arbitrary" killing
- of infants. If it could be shown that the killing of
- a particular infant would not harm society (for example,
- a secret killing), then you would have to condone that
- particular killing.
-
- > Any possible gain of allowing
- > such is far outweighed by the definite and significant costs.
-
- There are definite and significant costs associated with
- caring for abandoned/unwanted newborn infants. These
- infants have no self-interest. Your philosophy allows
- them to be killed.
-
- > However,
- > in the case of abortion (and especially early abortions),
- > the gains of allowing abortions (probably) outweighs the
- > costs.
-
- You've arbitrarily assigned zero cost to the violation
- of the individual rights of the child. I don't believe
- that the gains associated with allowing abortion can
- outweigh the costs associated with violating the child's
- rights.
-
- > As for the infanticide bullshit: knock it off. You know it's
- > dishonest and it clearly is nothing more than petty name calling.
- > By continuing to repeat the same old slanders you're only damaging
- > yourself and your cause.
-
- I don't consider my argument to be "slander". I recognize
- that those who would condone infanticide would never actually
- consider killing an infant.
-
-
- >Ray Fischer
-
-
- Doug Holtsinger
-
-