home *** CD-ROM | disk | FTP | other *** search
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Path: sparky!uunet!haven.umd.edu!darwin.sura.net!gatech!destroyer!ncar!neit.cgd.ucar.edu!kauff
- From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.235308.10365@ncar.ucar.edu>
- Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu (USENET Maintenance)
- Organization: Boulder CO
- References: <1992Dec23.104329.21553@hemlock.cray.com> <1992Dec23.212832.10957@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 23:53:08 GMT
- Lines: 49
-
- > = sfm@manduca.neurobio.arizona.edu (Stephen Matheson) writes:
- >> = by mon@cray.com (Muriel Nelson):
- dh> = dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
- dh> There are factual differences between a late-term fetus
- dh> and a newborn infant, but I have not heard any arguments
- dh> from pro-choicers which would give *moral* weight to these
- dh> facts. Thus I conclude that there is no moral difference
- dh> between killing a newborn infant and killing a late-term fetus.
-
- >> Doug, you've just asserted that there is no '*moral*
- >> weight' involved in posing a possible threat to a woman's life.
-
- > He has?!? Where? He's talking about the existence of a
- > "moral difference between killing a newborn infant and killing
- > a late-term fetus." The interesting kernel of this debate is
- > the fact that some might conclude that there is no such moral
- > distinction, apart from the involvement of other persons. Perhaps
- > you'd be interested in addressing this.
-
- Let's review: What Doug Holtsinger has clearly stated is:
- (S1) "there is no difference between a late-term fetus and an infant".
-
- This is what the whole "pro-choicers must condone infanticide" theory is
- *based* upon, and is the dispute at hand. When called on this incredulous
- assertion, he has wisely massaged (S1) into:
- (S2) "there is no *moral* difference between killing a newborn infant
- and killing a late-term fetus", and while there are some "factual
- differences" (whatever that's supposed to mean), these "factual
- differences" have no "moral weight".
- (this is a much more reasonable statement, albiet highly debatable)
-
- From which we can only conclude that either
- o posing a threat to a woman's life & health does not constitute one of
- these "factual difference" between fetus' & infants, or
- o posing a threat to a woman's life & health does have any "moral weight"
-
- But now you have permuted (S1) even further (too far) by forming:
- (S3) "apart from the involvement of other persons" (presumably a
- pregnant women) "there is no *moral* difference between killing
- a newborn infant and killing a late-term fetus"
-
- As if when debating "the difference between a late-term fetus and an infant",
- or when debating "killing a newborn infant vs killing a late-term fetus",
- the role of a pregnant women is some kind of a side issue. Yeah, sure, if
- we ignore or trivialize the woman, then perhaps there isn't much difference.
- But so what? Is this what you think should be done?
-
- -Brian
-