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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Nyikos and the one bad apple theory of forced pregnancy.
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- Date: 23 Dec 92 22:44:38 GMT
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- In <34529@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU> smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias) writes:
-
- >In article <nyikos.724627328@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
- >nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) post the latest in what I
- >describe as the one bad apple theory of forced pregnancy. In it, the
- >a legislative agenda restricting the rights of women is disguised as a
- >response to a public health crisis. The public health concerns
- >revolve around bad performance by an abortion provider. This is the
- >one bad apple that leads by some incomprehensible leap of fetus
- >fanatic logic to a legislative agenda of forced pregnancy.
-
- To date, I have posted concerning FIVE bad apples, on three of them
- extensively, with information from PRIMARY sources, including in one
- case the victimized woman herself, testifying before the South Carolina
- State Senate Judiciary Committee. TWO of these abortion providers
- are right in the Columbia area, and as I said in "Meet Ismail Elguindi,
- Abortionist," the two together account for almost exactly half of the
- 5000+ abortions reported in the Columbia area in 1990, the last year
- in which Elguindi did not have his license suspended for some reason
- or other.
-
- >To believe this public health concern, I would at least like some
- >statistical evidence gathered by an impartial panel demonstrating that
- >abortion was on balance an unsafe procedure.
-
- In this, I am in full agreement with Mezias. So far, all we have
- seen are MORTALITY rates given by the Alan Gutmacher institute, research
- affilaiate of Planned Parenthood, and other statistics which could all
- go back to this Institute for all the documentation Larry Margolis or
- anyone else has provided on them.
-
- In the meantime, I wish Columbia SC were a statistical anomaly, but
- so far Susan Garvin has not come forth with the documentation of this
- factoid that she seemed to be promising when she sneered at my documentation
- of Elguindi's malpractice.
-
- > The two reasons lurking
- >in the background of this thin smokescreen are revealing: (1) Women
- >can't be trusted to consult with physicians and make decisions about
- >their own medical care. (2) Doctors are engaged in a conspiracy of
- >silence about profiteering abortion clinics.
-
- Don't you believe it, Steve. Here are two others, at least as revealing:
- (1) Women generally DON'T consult with physicians, not EVEN THE ONES DOING
- THE ABORTIONS, prior to signing consent forms for abortions out in the
- front office and (2) Abortion providers and counselors are engaged in
- a conspiracy of silence about profiteering abortion clinics, and won't
- release crucial information to the public, the State Boards of Medical
- Examiners, nor the Departments of Health (& Environmental Control, or
- whatever they are called in your state.)
-
- >Maybe I am missing something in this theory.
-
- You sure are.
-
- >the best interests of the public. However, absent a finding of strong
- >evidence of profiteering, I see no reason to investigate this
- >particular example of bad medical practice. C. Everett Koop, the
- >conservative pro-life surgeon general under Reagan, came to more or
- >less the same conclusion.
-
- Wrong. He came to the conclusion that meaningful statistics are
- impossible to come by, given the current pro-choice climate that
- prevails in the media, and the constitutional "zone of privacy"
- that covers abortion clinics more than ANY OTHER PLACE WHERE SURGERY
- IS PERFORMED.
-
- > We have other public health problems, e.g.,
- >tuberculosis, that are much more deserving of scarce intervention
- >resources.
-
- Meanwhile, 1,600,000 unborn children, most of them already in the
- fetus stage, are aborted each year in the USA alone.
-
- Besides, Steve, this is not talk.tuberculosis.
-
- PJN
-
-