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  1. Newsgroups: talk.abortion
  2. Path: sparky!uunet!gatech!destroyer!ncar!neit.cgd.ucar.edu!kauff
  3. From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
  4. Subject:  inconsistencies abound (was: Proposed definitions ...)
  5. Message-ID: <1992Dec23.223316.2802@ncar.ucar.edu>
  6. Sender: news@ncar.ucar.edu (USENET Maintenance)
  7. Organization: Boulder CO
  8. References: <1992Dec21.212858.28762@mksol.dseg.ti.com> <1992Dec22.063007.50924@watson.ibm.com> <nyikos.725128086@milo.math.scarolina.edu>
  9. Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 22:33:16 GMT
  10. Lines: 46
  11.  
  12. pn> = nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos) writes:
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  14. pn> How is it that NO ControlFreak, ProForcer, AntiChoicer or RightToLifer 
  15. pn> has ever called on for NonPhysicianWomen to be prosecuted for 
  16. pn> ILLEGALLY performing SelfInducedAbortion?
  17. pn>
  18. pn> Could it be that they CARE about women?  Nah...:-)
  19.  
  20. I think you're going to have a hard time standing behind this one:
  21.  
  22. 0) Are you claiming the pro-lifer's position is that "self-induced abortion 
  23.    performed by a non-physician woman shouldn't be prosecuted? <y,n>
  24.    If not, explain how *not* to interpret your statement as disingenuous.
  25.  
  26. 1) Are you sure you don't want to retract your statement that 
  27.    "NO" pro-lifer has ever called for the prosecution of non-physician
  28.    self-abortions?  Will you claim pro-lifer's don't ever intend to
  29.    make such prosecutions?  What if all abortions are declared illegal?
  30.    Isn't there a pro-life (sic) group in California that wants the 
  31.    death-sentence for women who have abortions?  
  32.  
  33. 2) Next, how can one rationalize believing "abortion is murder" while 
  34.    simultaneously being against prosecuting women for murder/abortion?
  35.  
  36. 3) If the pro-life position is "self-induced abortion performed by a 
  37.    non-physician woman shouldn't be prosecuted, please explain the 
  38.    distinction between:
  39.    o self-induced abortion performed by a non-physician/woman.
  40.    o self-induced abortion performed by a     physician/woman.
  41.    o              abortion performed by a non-physician/woman.
  42.    o              abortion performed by a non-physician/  man.
  43.    o              abortion performed by a     physician/woman.
  44.    o              abortion performed by a     physician/  man.
  45.  
  46. 4) Isn't it far safer to have qualified doctors perform abortions
  47.    than have unqualified women perform self-induced abortions?
  48.    Why would you encourage unsafe (or less safe) abortions?
  49.    Do you want women to be put at greater risk?  
  50.    Is this how you show you "care about women"?
  51.  
  52. 5) Are the pill & RU486 not considered (potential) self-induced abortions 
  53.    and hence OK by pro-lifers?
  54.    Can we conclude pro-lifer's won't prosecute for using the Pill?
  55.    Can we conclude pro-lifer's won't prosecute for using RU486?
  56.  
  57. -Brian
  58.