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- From: steven@advtech.uswest.com ( Steve Novak)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion,talk.religion.misc
- Subject: Re: Abortion and Religion II: OT attitudes
- Keywords: abortion, infanticide
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.173941.25048@advtech.uswest.com>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 17:39:41 GMT
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- > = (Peter Nyikos) writes:
-
- >In my very first post on this subject, in which I was refuting a trumped-up
- >charge agains Suzanne Forgach, I suggested an intermediate reading, "Thou
- >shalt not commit unjustifiable homicide." [To include, for example,
- >negligent manslaughter].
-
- Of course, the original Hebrew says, "Do Not Commit Murder".
-
- >It's been like pulling teeth
- >to get anyone else in talk.abortion or talk.religion.misc to address
- >this issue.
-
- They're probably wondering why you're attempting to rewrite the bible.
-
- > Yahweh spoke to Moses and said:
- > "Say this to the sons of Israel:
- > `...If the killer has maliciously manhandled his victim, or thrown
- > some lethal missile to strike him down, or out of enmity dealt the
- > deathblow with his fist, then he who struck the blow must die; he
- > is a murderer.' Numbers 35:9-10, 20-22
-
- >Despite the use of "murderer" this seems to be a more broad definition
- >of "murder" than is in general use today. For example, in the movie
- >"In the Heat of the Night," Sidney Poitier deduces who committed the
- >"murder" which was the centerpiece of the plot, and it turns out that
- >the culprit "dealt the deathblow" without actually intending to kill
- >the victim, but just to knock him unconscious, the better to rob him.
- >[In the taped confession, he closes with the words, "I did not mean
- >to kill him."] I got the distinct impression that he was not about
- >to be charged with murder, but only with manslaughter, yet his deed
- >arguably falls within the use of "murderer" above.
-
- I don't think so. The verse seems obviously (at least to me) to be speaking
- of malicious intent - The murderer wants to murder. Why would any "god" want
- an accidental death to be treated the same as premeditated murder?
-
- >[Interesting talk.abortion sidelight: the motive for the robbery was to
- >get enough money for an illegal abortion; the killer had gotten a young
- >woman pregnant and an old Black woman was all set to do the abortion.]
-
- Yeah, just imagine: if abortion had been legal, none of the pain, death and
- misery would've been necessary.
-
- Thanks for bringing that up, Prof.
-
- >I mentioned this passage of Numbers in my first reply to Steve, with
- >the words, "Now we are getting somewhere." Apparently, I said, the
- >Biblical meaning of murder does NOT coincide with the present-day one.
- >
- >Steve deleted all hint of this in his reply, to which I am following
- >up below as though to a post still on the boards. If he does not feel
- >up to dealing with this issue, perhaps some other reader can help take
- >it further.
-
- You are such a fuckhead. Mr. Adams, I suspect, can run rings around you
- biblically. It sure looks like it so far.
-
- And BTW, only pedantic bores like yourself include every line of every posting
- when you reply to a post. If you can prove Steve deleted "maliciously", in
- a concious effort to obscure your obscure point, then you may have a point.
-
- [300 lines of stupid biblical interpretation by the Math Whiz mercifully
- deleted...]
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