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From: [e-mail] (Michael P Noonan)
Subject: Re: An Abortion Argument that has nothing to do with OT and NT
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Mike A. McAngus) writes:
|> Michael P Noonan ([e-mail]) wrote:
|> : In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (Gordon St
|> orga) writes:
|> : |> <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Michae
|> l P Noonan) writes:
|>
|> [all references to the cliff analogy deleted, as well as Suzanne Forgach's
|> non-sequitor about "killing unborn children"]
|>
|> : |> >First of all, I'd like to point out that most pro-abortionists or
|> : |> >pro-choicers are Christian.  Secondly, there do exist atheists who
|> : |> >are pro-life/anti-abortion.  So, just what exactly are you implying here?
|> : |>
|> : |> Sorry Mike, but the three admitted pro-abortioners on this net are hardly
|> : |> Christian.  I'd like to know where you get your stats.
|> :
|> : I admit that I don't have any statistics to
|> : flash around,
|>
|> This rather diminishes your credibility.

Thanks.


By indicating my lack of statistics, I was indicating my readiness to
concede my point.  However, I think it is apparent to anyone who looks
that the majority of the people who make up the pro-coice organiziations
are Christian.  Since I thought I was stating the obvious, I made no
attempt to back myself up on it.  My primary mistake was in calling
pro-abortionists pro-choicers.  Perhaps that damaged my credibility
the most.

[snip]

|> :
|> : This is definitely one discussion in which I do not wish to get entangled.
|> : I thought my first point was self-evident, and was not prepared to
|> : defend it with stats.
|>
|> Any time someone says "most" or "the majority" their assertion may be
|> challenged, and the person making the challenge must provide statistics to
|> back up the claim.  The problem is that too many people think that their
|> personal experiences constitute some sort of norm for their country, if not
|> the world.  Anecdotes have a limited usefulness in an intellectual discussion.

Once again, thank you, professor!  :->

You are correct in that I thought I was stating common experience.  Most
(there's that word again) pro-choicers I know are Christian.  I don't
believe the pro-choice movement has been able to gain the momentum that
they have by restricting their membership rolls to atheists, pagans, Jews,
Muslims, etc.  Does anyone have any stats concerning the makeup of the
those organizations?

|> [stuff referring to Suzanne Forgach deleted, since I deleted her statements]
|>
|> : |> Gordon
|> : |> Pro-abortion, Pro-person, Pro-women's-rights and ex-boytoy of Susan, Murie
|> l,
|> : |> Cathi, Nora, Jennifer, Sarah, Lynn, Diana (catwoman), Diana (Sorceress), B
|> eth
|> : |> "CJ", and Nadja, and married to a goddess among women, and proud of it.
|> : |> [space reserved for alternate ex-girlfriends Eric R. and Drieux]
|> : |> --
|> : |> The opinions expressed are my own, and not the beliefs or opinions
|> : |> of whatever company you think I work for.  So there, thhhbbbt!
|> : |> Message to Kodak:  Freedom for Dan Bredy.
|> :
|> : -Mike Noonan
|> --
|> Mike McAngus              | Let the raucous sleigh bells ringle
|> ([e-mail])         | Hail our dear old fried Chris Kringle |Tom
|> The Truth is still the Truth     | Driving his reindeer across the sky   |Lehrer
|> Even if you choose to ignore it. | Don't stand underneath when they fly by.

Mike Noonan