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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.060029.1868@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- References: <1992Dec18.142748.6248@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1992Dec20.043628.3553@bmerh85.bnr.ca> <1992Dec20.172908.14123@ncsu.edu>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 92 06:00:29 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec20.172908.14123@ncsu.edu> dsholtsi@csl36h.csl.ncsu.edu (Doug Holtsinger) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec20.043628.3553@bmerh85.bnr.ca>
- >nadeau@bnr.ca (Rheal Nadeau) writes:
- >
- >> [.. story about an abortion to save the mother's life ..]
- >
- >> Apply this to today's situation. Some people still oppose ANY abortion,
- >> even in cases like the above. Some people oppose abortion, except for
- >> health reasons. To those people, I ask: who is qualified to decide
- >> when the health reasons are sufficient to justify an abortion?
- >
- >I believe that most physicians are qualified to determine whether
- >an abortion is necessary to save the life of the mother. Why do
- >you believe otherwise?
- >
- DODie, he didn't say he believed otherwise.
- And physicians do *not* determine that an abortion is necessary.
- The patients condition is explained to them, and their options are
- outlined. The risks and benefit of each option are detailed, and the
- patient then makes their own choice as to treatment. I would like to
- see you produce an example of a physician performing an abortion based
- on his decision, and not the patients. A physician may suggest that
- abortion is the safest option, but not determine what is best for the
- patient. That decision is left to the patient.
- In other words, get a clue DODie...
-
- >> Are you really prepared to judge for yourself how much a woman
- >> should face?
- >
- >No, because I'm not qualified to be a physician.
- >
- Wow, I think this is the first factually correct statement I've ever
- seen from you...
-
- >> I'm not ready to do that. Thus, I am pro-choice.
- >
- >I don't follow your reasoning. If you're not qualified
- >to determine whether an abortion is necessary to save
- >the mother's life, then how does it follow that nobody
- >is qualified to make that determination? What about
- >physicians?
- >
- >Who is qualified to determine whether a person was justified
- >in using lethal force in self-defense? Do we always allow
- >the individual to make that determination?
- >
- >
- >>The Rhealist - nadeau@bnr.ca - Speaking only for myself
- >
- >
- >Doug Holtsinger
-
-
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- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
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