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- From: eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley)
- Subject: Re: Suzanne's "Abortion kills children"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.024351.3913@midway.uchicago.edu>
- Sender: news@uchinews.uchicago.edu (News System)
- Reply-To: eeb1@midway.uchicago.edu
- Organization: University of Chicago Computing Organizations
- References: <1992Dec18.033245.12695@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec22.203130.12300@noao.edu>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 02:43:51 GMT
- Lines: 42
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- In article <1992Dec22.203130.12300@noao.edu>
- forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >From article by eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley):
-
- >> Since fetuses aren't children, abortion does not kill children.
-
- >> Now if you'd writen "babies", I would have had to grant that the
- >> statement was literally true.
-
- >Since you are granting that fetuses are babies, are you denying that babies
- >are children?
-
- Nope. I'm denying that *some* babies (specifically the subset known
- as "z/e/fs" or "fetuses" or "unborn", depending on who's doing the
- knowing) are children, as these terms are customarily defined. Are
- you claiming that all babies are fetuses?
-
- More specifically, I'm claiming that ordinary people using standard
- English and not talking about abortion will refer to the fetuses as
- "babies" but not as "children".
-
- >Abortion kills fetuses.
-
- Absolutely true.
-
- >Abortion kills babies.
-
- Literally true but misleading connotations.
-
- >Abortion kills children.
-
- False.
-
- >Take yer pick. All of these are true.
-
- TbBA.
-
- --
- Pro-Choice Anti-Roe - E. Elizabeth Bartley
- Abortions should be safe, legal, early, and rare.
-
- Cthulhu for President -- when you're tired of voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
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