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- From: kauff@neit.cgd.ucar.edu (Brian Kauffman)
- Subject: Re: Suzanne's "Abortion kills children"
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.001248.25535@ncar.ucar.edu>
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- Organization: Boulder CO
- References: <1992Dec18.033245.12695@midway.uchicago.edu> <1992Dec22.203130.12300@noao.edu>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 00:12:48 GMT
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- > = forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
- >> = From article by eeb1@quads.uchicago.edu (e elizabeth bartley):
- >>> = forgach@noao.edu (Suzanne Forgach) writes:
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- >>>Since fetuses are children, abortion kills children. q.e.d.
-
- >> Since fetuses aren't children, abortion does not kill children.
- >>
- >> Now if you'd writen "babies", I would have had to grant that the
- >> statement was literally true.
-
- >Since you are granting that fetuses are babies, are you denying that babies
- >are children?
- >
- >Abortion kills fetuses.
- >Abortion kills babies.
- >Abortion kills children.
- >
- >Take yer pick. All of these are true.
-
- Hasn't this pointless little semantic game been discredited enough times
- already? Shall we invent new phrases to replace the ones that have been
- redefined into uselessness?
-
- EG. if you insist on defining "children" as including unfertilized eggs,
- then you can run around proclaiming "ovulation kills children". Of course
- you've seriously trivialized the notion of "killing children".
- Likewise, since you've chosen to use a definition of "children" that
- fails to acknowledge any difference between zygotes and three-year-olds,
- you get to use the phrase you like so well, "abortion kills children",
- at the expense of rendering the phrase virtually meaningless.
-
- Congratulations. You've repeated a tired old semantic game that has
- absolutely zero content -- a complete waste of bandwidth -- except that
- it serves to further establish your credibility level.
-
- -Brian
-