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- From: margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis)
- Subject: Re: Reconciling OT with NT
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- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 06:30:07 GMT
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- In <1992Dec21.212858.28762@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec21.041610.42537@watson.ibm.com>, margoli@watson.ibm.com (Larry Margolis) writes:
- >|> In <1992Dec21.012812.8797@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- >|> >In article <1992Dec20.223810.17255@netcom.com>, gordons@netcom.com (Gordon Storga) writes:
- >|> >|> <1992Dec18.213300.4979@mksol.dseg.ti.com> noonan@mksol.dseg.ti.com (Michael P Noonan) writes:
- >|> >|> >
- >|> >|> >First of all, I'd like to point out that most pro-abortionists or
- >|> >|> >pro-choicers are Christian. Secondly, there do exist atheists who
- >|> >|> >are pro-life/anti-abortion. So, just what exactly are you implying here?
- >|> >|>
- >|> >|> Sorry Mike, but the three admitted pro-abortioners on this net are hardly
- >|> >|> Christian. I'd like to know where you get your stats.
- >|> >
- >|> >I admit that I don't have any statistics to
- >|> >flash around, but I know many pro-abortionists that are Christian.
- >|>
- >|> I'd tend to doubt it.
- >
- >I always look forward to debating with someone who refuses to believe me.
-
- Had you read a little further before responding, you would have seen that
- I doubt you know any "pro-abortionists", much less Christian ones; I have no
- doubt that you know many Christian pro-choicers.
-
- >|> No, he was talking about the three people on the net who claim to be
- >|> pro-abortion; he was saying *nothing* about the millions of us who are
- >|> pro-choice.
- >
- >Then the fault is with my lumping of the pro-abortionists in with the pro-
- >choicers. I will try to understand the difference; please bear with me.
- >
- >|> >Understand, that I use the terms pro-abortion and pro-choice synonymously.
- >|>
- >|> If you want to be understood, you probably shouldn't.
- >
- >Point taken.
- >
- >|> >Perhaps someone could explain the difference to me, but if your fighting
- >|> >for the right for people to have abortions, aren't you pro-abortion?
- >|>
- >|> No, because you're not fighting for people to *have* abortions, but for them
- >|> to have the *right* to *choose* abortion, if that's what they feel is best
- >|> in their particular situation.
- >|>
- >|> >Who cares whether or not you would use that right yourself, if you are
- >|> >pro-abortion-rights, you are pro-abortion.
- >|>
- >|> Not only are you wrong, but by referring to them as pro-abortion, you're
- >|> insulting many pro-choicers who are against abortion, but nevertheless
- >|> feel that forcing their moral beliefs on others through laws would be
- >|> a greater evil.
- >|>
- >|> To pick an extreme example, think of people defending the rights of Nazis
- >|> to speak. They might be pro-free-speech for Nazis, but that's a far cry
- >|> from being pro-Nazi.
- >
- >If people defending the right of abortionists to exercise their beliefs
- ^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >want to be called pro-choice, fine. If people defending the existence
- >of a right of a fetus to be born want to be called pro-life, fine.
-
- The above seems to be your problem. An abortionist is a person who performs
- abortions. In this country, only doctors are legally allowed to perform
- abortions (I believe). I assumed that you were writing (pro-abortion)ists -
- i.e., people that are in favor of abortions in all cases of pregnancy. Are
- you talking about pro-(abortionists) - i.e., people who support doctors who
- perform abortions?
-
- Pro-choice means someone is in favor of keeping abortion available as a legal
- (if undesirable) choice. It does *not* mean being in favor of that choice.
- --
- Larry Margolis, MARGOLI@YKTVMV (Bitnet), margoli@watson.IBM.com (Internet)
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