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- From: nyikos@math.scarolina.edu (Peter Nyikos)
- Subject: Re: Pro-choicers must condone infanticide
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- Date: 21 Dec 92 22:20:53 GMT
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- In <BzEy8s.7x8@news.cso.uiuc.edu> cburian@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu (Christopher J Burian) writes:
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- >ml3e+@andrew.cmu.edu (Michael Loomis) writes:
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- >>Excerpts from netnews.talk.abortion: 15-Dec-92 Pro-choicers must condone
- >>i.. by Doug Holtsinger@csl36h.c
- >>> Clearly, pro-choicers who support unrestricted abortion-on-
- >>> demand must argue that the child should not be considered
- >>> as a person. This position implies that newborn infants
- >>> are not persons, since there is no difference between a
- >>> late-term fetus and an infant, and hence these pro-choicers
- >>> must condone infanticide.
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- In another post along this thread, Steve Adams made a big deal about the
- "no difference", pointing out
- that there is a big difference in location. Only he went on to make
- a bigger fool of himself than Doug did, by ignoring the fact that one
- could induce early labor, or do a C-section, to evict this "unwanted
- intruder" without killing it, once viability is past.
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- Mark Cochran, in a fascinating display of the Big Lie technique, told
- me in an e-mail message which he did not mind being made public, that
- this is the way pregnancies are ALWAYS terminated after the 26 week
- point, with a living neonate as the intended result--and after seeing my
- first GEORGE TILLER post, too! Some people's audacity still can take
- my breath away.
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- >>Like Mr. Holtsinger, I too see no particular reason to oppose a woman
- >>who wishes to kill her own newly born child. The surprising concept is
- >>that there exists people who would forbid a woman who wishes to kill her
- >>newly born child from doing so. It seems merely another manifestation
- >>of the cruelty in society that has lead to so much suffering. We just
- >>need to love each other more.
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- Much as I continue to disagree with Mr. Loomis on infanticide as well
- as abortion, I will always applaud his willingness to face the issue
- squarely.
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- >It is kind of funny how it's "okay" to yank a baby out of the womb piece
- >by piece, yet it's "wrong" to let a newborn die a gentle death from
- >hypothermia.
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- >The subject begs further reflection and dialogue.
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- > Chris Burian
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- I also applaud Chris for the same reason, even though I do not know where
- he stands on the issues.
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- Peter Nyikos
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