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- From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
- Newsgroups: soc.singles
- Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
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- Date: 29 Dec 92 00:23:49 GMT
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- Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
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- krw@cbnewsk.cb.att.com (keith.r.smith) writes:
-
- }I would just-as-soon get
- }it out in the open early on, by saying something like:
- } "Maybe you can treat me, next time".
- }If her response is to look at me as if I were out of my mind, then I know
- }that she is _not_ the woman for me, and she will eliminate herself by not
- }making arrangements for that next date. . .
-
- Hey, whatever works for you. Saying the above will also effectively
- filter out women who might think that asking such a question is just
- plain rude.
-
- }You say toMAto, and I say toMAHto..... (see above). The problem that
- }I have with your theory (and you are perfectly justified in using it
- }as you seem to be content with the outcome), is that you could find
- }yourself out on several dates with somebody who thinks that it is
- }_your job as a man_ to spend money on her. These types, I filter out
- }early on. Your mileage may vary.
-
- Well, perhaps part of the problem here is that you are just more impatient
- than I am. When I'm dating with the purpose of finding a long-term
- relationship (which is almost always my purpose in dating), my immediate
- goal is to try to get to know the woman as best I can. The more I know
- about her (and vice versa), the better I will be able to determine if
- there is a possibility for something long-term. As such, I'm willing
- to invest a little (both money and time) toward this goal. If the
- woman turns out to be someone who "thinks that it is _your job as a man_
- to spend money on her", I feel very confident that I will discover that
- about her over the course of a few dates; I just don't see the need for
- this one "litmus test" right away. Your way, of blatantly asking --
- oh, sorry, I mean "suggesting" -- that she pay for the *second* date
- just seems to me to be putting way, WAY too much importance on having an
- *exact* tit-for-tat. As someone else recently posted, I don't place any
- importance on making sure that every give and take in a relationship is
- exactly 50-50. If you do, then as I have said before, your way is an
- effective filter for weeding out women that you wouldn't want. But I
- just can't help but think that, by putting *SO* much importance on
- getting this 50-50 spending situation set-up right from the start,
- you will be missing out on getting to know some nice women.
-
- }>I will say that I
- }>like it if she offers to treat me to the next date, but whereas you seem
- }>to more or less demand that as your due, I think if it as a bonus; it
- }>means that she is interested enough in me to want to take me out.
-
- }You misread me. I do not _demand_ or otherwise try to coerce anybody
- }to take me out. I simply let on that I am open to the idea.
-
- }You seem to _insist_ upon getting it wrong. It is only an ultimatum if
- }I tell her that it is.
-
- And you seem too hung up on the specific semantics here. The point isn't
- whether you think of it as a demand or not, nor whether you put it to the
- woman as an ultimatum or not. The point is that your criteria is that the
- woman either offer to pay for the second date or there is no second date.
- As I said, my problem with this is not how gently you may or may not
- make the suggestion, but just that your attitude is too narrowly focused
- on making this one criteria the determining factor for continuing to see
- the woman.
-
- }If she does not respond to my liking, then that is my cue to move on,
- }hence, "hasta la vista, baby!". No, I don't speak the words, or in
- }any way get nasty about it, I simply do not go out with her again, and
- }she probably thinks that it is _her_ idea that this is so.
-
- Oh, I doubt very much that this is often the case. Given that you always
- make a point of "suggesting" in some way that she pay for the next date,
- I'd bet that most women are quite aware of why you don't call them again.
- A lot of them might be just as happy that you don't, but I doubt many
- have any confusion as to what has really gone on.
-
- }Are ya' readin' me? Am I gettin' through?
-
- You got through loud and clear many postings ago.
-
- --James Preston
-
-