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- From: stef@Apple.COM (Stef Jones)
- Newsgroups: soc.singles
- Subject: Re: How come we aren't getting it?
- Message-ID: <75912@apple.apple.COM>
- Date: 23 Dec 92 22:32:59 GMT
- References: <92351.002507U60703@uicvm.uic.edu> <1992Dec23.071203.20008@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- tlode@nyx.cs.du.edu (trygve lode) writes:
-
- >This, of course, makes things much more difficult--a rather large
- >portion of the population only wants love/understanding/intimacy/etc.
- >from those who can't or won't give it to them.
-
- This is true to an extent but I think this explanation is overused. People
- are too quick to assume that there is a deep-rooted neurosis at work if they
- go for a few years without matching up with anyone. In fact, given the depth
- and breadth of compatibility people expect with their partners these days
- and the difficulty in finding someone using modern rules of dating, sometimes
- I think it's a wonder that anyone ever finds a long-term partner.
-
- I think several contradictions within the culture contribute to this. In
- other words I think the problems are in the culture and not so much in the
- individual.
-
- (1) Women are told both that a relationship is the most important thing in
- their lives, and that they are expected to be independent. It seems like a
- pretty clever solution to me to spend your time being interested in less-than-
- available men. You're in a relationship, sort of, and you also have a lot of
- independence. Some women stay unhappy about this situation and some women
- embrace it once they figure out what is going on. (I'm sure this applies to
- some men as well.)
-
- (2) People are taught to judge others on the basis of superficial
- characteristics and are much less adept at determining temperamental
- compatibility (which is more important in the long term than superficial
- characteristics or a certain number of shared interests, IMO.)
-
- (3) People learn that if their partner possesses certain characteristics,
- that will raise their social status. They tend to over-focus on these
- socially approved characteristics rather than asking themselves "what do
- *I* really want in a partner?" Or they try to find someone who has both
- sets of characteristics...well, the more characteristics are specified, the
- harder it is to find someone who has all of those characteristics.
-
- [...]
-
- >Now, naturally, as soon as her interest became generally known, a half-
- >dozen of her female friends and acquaintances all immediately decided
- >that they wanted to date him. (This situation has not sorted itself out
- >yet and he may end up hiding in the cellar or something.)
-
- Is this the cellar with the dungeon in it? :-)
-
- --
- Stef Just as there are laws of Conservation of Matter and
- stef@apple.com Energy, so there are in fact Laws of Conservation of
- Pain and Joy. Neither can ever be created or destroyed.
- But one can be converted into the other.
- --Spider Robinson
-