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- From: jsp@uts.amdahl.com (James Preston)
- Newsgroups: soc.singles
- Subject: Re: Females have it easy!
- Message-ID: <cf0w03joc50O00@amdahl.uts.amdahl.com>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 23:44:38 GMT
- References: <oneil.724571180@cwis> <1992Dec19.231742.27850@nmsu.edu> <BzMG4L.455@cs.dal.ca>
- Reply-To: jsp@pls.amdahl.com
- Organization: Amdahl Corporation, Sunnyvale CA
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- earhard@ug.cs.dal.ca (Mark Earhard) writes:
-
- }Well, I haven't had my share of girlfriends (about 4) in my quarter of a
- }century, because I didn't date in highschool or until late into university,
- }though I have dated quite a few poeple. I'd have to agree with Sharon that
- }it's a man's world when it comes to dating. There seems to be a fundamental
- }problem with a lot of people's perception of how this "dating" thing works-
- }Both sides have limited power, but my opinion is that the guys have the
- }odds. For example:
-
- }Him: I like her, I think I'll ask her out.
- }Her: I don't really like him, so I think I'll refuse
-
- }Ok, this ends up on her side, BUT...
-
- }Him: I like her, I think I'll ask her out.
- }Her: He seems nice, I think I'll say yes.
-
- }(they go out and have a reasonable time)
-
- }Him: I don't really think I want to start something with her
- }Her: I wish he'd call back...
-
- }I would *MUCH* rather be on the aggressive side of the argument- ie it's
- }my option to ask/not ask, call/call back.
-
- I agree completely that it is much better to have the option, but your
- assumption about who has that option is dead wrong. Women have more
- of an option than men do. They have the above options, and they also
- have the option of waiting for the man to be the aggressor.
-
- Generally speaking, all other things being equal, if a woman is passive
- and waits for men to approach her, there is a greater chance that she
- will be approached than if a man waits passively. (More generalization
- disclaimers: given a man and a woman of similarly "attractive" appearance
- and in similar circumstances). The reality today is still that it is
- much, much more common for a man to approach a woman than the other way
- around. The reality is that there are still many, many women who won't
- even consider approaching a man.
-
- So most men really don't have the option of sitting back. Because if
- they don't approach women, the chances are really, really good that
- no women will approach them.
-
- Women, on the other hand, can still take the more-or-less passive role
- and know that men will approach them (again, generalization disclaimers
- apply). However, if they so desire, they *do* have the option of directly
- approaching men.
-
- }For example- I went out with this quite nice woman a couple of months
- }ago, but she really just wasn't what I was looking for in an SO, so
- }I let things peter off. I know for a fact that it ended up with
- }her waiting to see if I'd call again.
-
- But don't you see, this is exactly my point. The woman *chose* the
- option of waiting for you to call. There was nothing stopping her
- from picking up the phone and calling you if she really wanted to
- see you again. But if the shoe was on the other foot, and you had
- really liked her, would you have had the option of waiting for her
- to call? The woman above, after some period of time passed without
- hearing from you, could make the reasonable assumption that you weren't
- interested. But when that same period of time passed and you hadn't
- heard from her, could you assume with as much certainty that she wasn't
- interested in you? Not bloody likely. Because it is so much assumed
- that the man is the aggressor, a man not calling most likely means he's
- not interested. But by the same token, a woman not calling *might*
- mean she's not interested, but more likely means she's just waiting for
- the man to call her (as, indeed, was apparently the case above).
-
- }The option to do something is IMHO *FAR* more valuble than sitting
- }by the phone waiting for something to happen.
-
- But as a man, you have *no* option. If you like the woman, you damn
- well better call her; taking your "option" of sitting and waiting just
- means you'll keep on waiting.
-
- }I think women have a lot more at risk by being agressive than guys. some
- }guys just don't like women asking them out (I love it, and have never
- }refused a woman's invitation)- they don't have the controll over the
- }situation they feel they need.
-
- Sure, some guys are put off by women asking, but I think there are easily
- as many -- probably more -- men like me that would be so surprised and
- thrilled at being approached by a woman that we'd accept such an invitation
- even if it came from a woman that we might not have thought of approaching
- on our own. (Knee-jerkers beware: "woman that we might not have thought
- of approaching" does *not* necessarily have anything to do with the woman's
- looks, ok? The plain fact is that men can't approach all woman, so some
- criteria must be used. Just don't assume that that criteria is always
- and solely looks. I'm just trying to head off potential flames here.)
-
- --James Preston
-
-