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- From: aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine)
- Subject: Re: Picking up the Tab (was: Re: What is gold-digging?)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.200041.4104@netcom.com>
- Organization: Don't blame me, I voted for Bill 'n' Opus
- References: <1992Dec19.224000.28895@netcom.com> <1992Dec20.003840.24916@cs.ucla.edu> <1992Dec21.061820.5101@netcom.com>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 20:00:41 GMT
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- In article <1992Dec21.061820.5101@netcom.com> shannah@netcom.com (Teri Miller) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec20.003840.24916@cs.ucla.edu> gds@cs.ucla.edu (Greg Skinner) writes:
- >>In article <1992Dec19.224000.28895@netcom.com> aahz@netcom.com (Mean Green Dancing Machine) writes:
- >>>The counter-problem is that each of us is unique, and we live in a
- >>>heterogeneous society where people have different expectations.
- >>
- >>Even more reason why we should try to negotiate in order that we can
- >>come on more common ground.
- >>
- >If each of us is unique, how in the world does having "default behavior
- >patterns" help? Everyone has different feet, too, and it sounds to me
- >like you're advocating something like everyone getting the same shoes,
- >because it's so difficult and time-consuming picking out ones that fit
- >and look good.
-
- Let's try an analogy: there are certain rules and courtesies when
- driving (aka "default behaviors") that make it possible for us to drive
- safely. Nevertheless, each of us still manages to maintain a unique
- driving style.
-
- >>>Overall, I think that if two people are getting together on a Date, the
- >>>default assumption should be that the asker will pay --
- >>
- >>Why?
-
- That's a good question. I think that "asker pays" works best in our
- society as it currently exists. *I'd* prefer to see Dutch as the
- default assumption, but I do try to live in the Real World.
-
- >>>but both should
- >>>be alert to the nuances of language that will indicate that the other
- >>>person has a different default preference.
- >>
- >>OK
- >>
- >"Nuances of language"? In other words, if I say "<sigh> Oh, okay, that's
- >fine" you should pick up on that I don't want you to pay, but if I actually
- >say "No, but thanks, Aahz, I'd just as soon pay my share" that's not okay?
- >
- >If you're going to have a default, and that's going to be the rule, make
- >it the rule. If you're going to try to mindread based on nuances in
- >someone else's speech, why not just find out? I'm not talking being
- >pushy or confrontive - just dispelling doubts and making sure the two of
- >you are making the same assumptions before you proceed and wind up stepping
- >on your partner's toes.
-
- Going back to my driving analogy, you're supposed to use your turn
- signals when you want to change lanes. Many people don't bother,
- however. Nevertheless, you can often tell when a person is just about
- to change lanes on you.
-
- I agree that it's good to communicate as much as possible, but there are
- so many levels of communication and meta-communication and meta-meta-
- communication that I believe it's good to set up default behaviors when
- you're first meeting someone. If you still don't agree with me, take it
- up with Judith Martin.
- --
- --- Aahz (the *other* Dan Bernstein)
- @netcom.com
-
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