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- Path: sparky!uunet!think.com!spdcc!rdonahue
- From: rdonahue@spdcc.com (Bob Donahue)
- Subject: Re: Private antidiscrimination policies in CO
- Message-ID: <1993Jan1.043757.18465@spdcc.com>
- Organization: insert anything here
- References: <1993Jan1.014550.12725@macc.wisc.edu> <1i09acINNiai@hp-col.col.hp.com> <1993Jan1.024900.15467@macc.wisc.edu>
- Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1993 04:37:57 GMT
- Lines: 88
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- anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- >>>As Bob Donahue
- >>>quite calmly remarked, it's put-up or shut-up time, buddy.
-
- >>What exactly do you want me to "put up"? Nothing, from what
- >>I can see.
-
- >I believe he had very specific suggestions about writing
- >letters. But I believe it's "nothing you can see," too.
-
- Let's get the list out here...
-
- So far I have asked Walter to:
-
- 1) borrow the book "Heather Has Two Mommies" from the library
- and read it so he can form a first-hand opinion on it.
-
- 2) go to the GBLO*-bookstore in Denver and pick up more reading
- material so that he can get some better insight into what is going
- on in the real world.
-
- 3) call the offices in Denver and protest against CO:2
-
- 4) write letters as in 3)
-
- 5) do the "wear something obviously gay" thing to experience
- what it's like to have passive oppression (or maybe if he's *lucky*
- active oppression, so that he'll have his first-hand-experience)
- foisted upon him.
-
- 6) canvass his neighborhood with repeal-2 leaflets or
- a petition for a recall or revote on the issue
-
- 7) write a letter to the paper in Colorado Springs to the effect of 6)
-
- 8) start working within HP to have the EE statement be more
- than empty words in a footnote... I've even written the letter for
- him...
-
- He has done none of these things. Well, I'm assuming he has done
- none, becauseI believe that if he had he would have said so. Also
- if he had he wouldn't be saying the sort of things he *is* saying
- at this time.
-
- I think he suffers from "impersonal terminalism" --- he can't
- quite grok that there are people at the other end of the modem.
- I mean he *knows* there are people there, but we're still hypothetical,
- or virtual, or whateer.
-
- I'm supposed to be in CO in June (being VERY VERY careful where
- I spend $$$) --- I'm really tempted to look him up while I'm there
- just to give him the full 3-D effect. My huinch is that he will
- have a LOT harder time playing "bait the homo" when the homo is there
- staring him in the face... I mean it's not like he's an active homophobe
- or anything --- he just has a mental block seeing it from outside the
- Walterocentric universe --- maybe if I drag him along to some places
- he might get a better indication of where reality sits... Hell, when
- I WANTED to come out I had a hard enough time meeting gay people!
- Perhaps his gaydar is just not there at all, and what he needs most
- is a real-life tourguide...
-
- One thing that keeps running thru all of this stuff, is that
- he doesn't get the concept of "non-heterocentric space". I mean
- EVEN HERE, we're still supposed to *provide* the information, and
- *provide* the rationalization, where in principle, it's supposed
- to be the other way around. Certainly the straight people who
- post here often (and are much beloved) do so in that frame of mind.
- Anyway, this means that our indignation at having our space invaded
- is read as hostility, our stating the game rules are read as coercion,
- our refusing to give into the heterocentricism is read as admission
- of guilt, etc.
-
- I for one would LOVE to be around the day that the clouds
- are lifted from his eyes and he suddenly "understands" what it
- is we're saying and why we're saying it... I think that everyone
- goes thru this several times in their lives at different levels.
- And sometimes it's a long slow process... certainly the womyn here
- could testify that some/most/all of the men are still "getting it"
- with respect to sexism and misogyny both within and without this group!
- This isn't a plea that we should back off and go easy, not at all,
- this is our home. I guess it's just a train of though (with not enough
- dessert cars!)...
-
- I think it's time to go attack the hubby-bear...
-
- BBC
-
-
-