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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
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- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Date: 29 Dec 1992 22:31:57 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- In article <1992Dec30.002532.28638@macc.wisc.edu>
- anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- > In article <1hqcccINN8e8@mizar.usc.edu>
- > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (Arne Adolphson) writes:
- > >In any case, if any man were to write about women -- all
- > >women, regardless of their political affiliations,
- > >ethnicities, or sexualities -- using rhetoric even slightly
- > >like that employed by Andrea Dworkin in her screeds against
- > >men, he would be dismissed by *everyone* as a crank or
- > >worse.
- >
- > Your contention is somewhat shakey, I think. Very
- > considerable numbers of woman-hating remarks do get
- > published,
-
- Oh, of course there are are woman-hating things that get
- published. What I'm talking about goes far beyond the
- kind of "women should be kept barefoot and pregnant" remarks
- I think you're attempting to focus my attention on.
-
- > and it seems to me the writers are quite often
- > *not* roundly denounced as idiots and fools by the general
- > population.
-
- Hmmmmm. Compare the very different receptions accorded
- Andrea Dworkin's *non-fiction* book _Intercourse_ and
- Bret Easton Ellis' slasher-novel _American Psycho_.
- And yes, I think Dworkin's work is fully as reprehensible
- and inhuman as Ellis'.
-
- > While this too is not very demonstrable, there
- > clearly is a much smaller tendency to hold over-zealous
- > woman-haters accountable (their numbers are massive)
-
- Oh really? Do you actually know people who claim that all
- women are evil, vicious, and not merely murderous but genocidal
- in intent *because* they're women?
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- > than to hold over-zealous man-haters (their numbers are much
- > smaller) accountable.
-
- I'm not particularly interested in the numbers game. Yes, our
- culture is misogynist (and racist, and homophobic, and classist,
- and...) to the core. That does not excuse the kind of hate-filled
- trash that flows from the pens of the Dworkins and Farrakhans
- of the world.
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- Arne
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