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- From: anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec30.022903.4678@macc.wisc.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 02:29:03 GMT
- References: <1992Dec23.152237.1124@tc.cornell.edu> <1992Dec30.002132.28426@macc.wisc.edu> <1992Dec30.013604.8299@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec30.013604.8299@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
- ra@asuvax.eas.asu.edu (Starcap'n Ra) writes:
-
- >I'm sorry, but Dworkin is an idiot. The world may well end
- >up being better off as a result of her having existed, and
- >she's interesting as an example of just how much the status
- >quo can detrimentally warp someone beyond any human
- >recognition, but that's another issue and beside the point:
-
- I don't think it *is* another issue or beside the point ...
-
- >she's still an idiot (unless she doesn't really believe in
- >what she spouts and is doing it for a calculated effect,
- >which I highly doubt).
-
- ... if we examine all this rather excessive rhetoric we've
- been hearing about Dworkin. If she were a run-of-the-mill
- idiot, as you (and others) claim, she would hardly merit the
- really quite vitriolic commentary her name is evoking in
- these hallowed corridors.
-
- I remind late-comers to the discussion that I've not read
- her own words, but irrespective of that, I'm not arguing
- that she's sane or insane, a sage or a fool. Rather, that
- she *does* evoke this (what I see as an) outsized response;
- clearly, she's hit a raw nerve, and that nerve belongs
- overwhelmingly to men. The inference is strong that men
- perceive her as *very* threatening. Fools generally aren't
- (exceptions like Pat Robertson notwithstanding).
-
- >And not speaking to you Jess, but at large to the general
- >discussion: please, can we be spared the "well, her starting
- >point is valid, she just comes to the wrong conclusions"
- >jibberish? I mean, so what, just what in hell is *that*
- >supposed to prove, besides absolutely nothing?
-
- Thank you for the exception, but I nevertheless don't buy
- this line of argument either. It's hardly gibberish [note
- the spelling in passing] that her starting point is: men
- oppress women. As a general rule, they do, indisputably.
-
- Let me put it aggressively, for the purpose of argument: is
- it that so many men wish to be spared *that* truth that
- causes them to lash out at Dworkin with such sustained
- venom? Is it that her (apparently quite wild) conclusions
- aren't supportable that leads so many men (many fewer women,
- I believe) to denounce her, including her *entire* point of
- view in the scope of their scorn?
-
- I repeat, if she's a plain fool, none of that would be at
- all necessary, and men being the laziest of gawd's
- creatures, surely they would not trouble themselves so much
- over a negligible ranter against the holy of holies, the
- male ego.
-
- <> There are no ordinary moments.
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