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- From: joe@spdcc.com (Joseph Francis)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec28.155121.29219@spdcc.com>
- Date: 28 Dec 92 15:51:21 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.172912.2724@tc.cornell.edu> <18223@autodesk.COM> <1992Dec28.091423.230@gems.vcu.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec28.091423.230@gems.vcu.edu> kkenny@gems.vcu.edu (Karen Kenny aka Mel) writes:
- >In article <18223@autodesk.COM>, owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
- >>
- >> this kind of bitterness upsets me.
- >> Not because it affects me personally in any way, but because the empathic
- >> part of me, the part my ascii pals don't get to know until they become
- >> real world pals, feels the pungent sting of these words on the pallette.
- >
- >As a womyn, there are lots of instances that upset me too, D. Owen, that
- >_do_ affect me personally. I'm sure that Andrea has had her share of
- >instances too. What you may call "bitterness" might be another's reality.
- >Why is it that the the actions that lead Andrea to writing what she does
- >are not examined, but merely the reactions that such words evoke in a
- >subset of its readers?
- >
- >> It seems to me that some clear thought about goals and how best to achieve
- >> them is a lot better use of time than hanging onto the roll of hate-object
- >> and squeezing bitter tears from the memory of past injustice.
- >
- >Like wimmin haven't been putting "clear thought" into THEIR goals
- >and how best to achieve them!! You sound like _another_ man
- >trying to tell wimmin what is _best_ for them, D. Owen. <YAWN>
-
- No, he sounds like the author of "A Critique of Feminism", printed in
- the '70s. The author is, BTW, a woman. He also sounds like Germaine
- Greer, and quite a few other feminist authors. "A Critique of
- Feminism" starts with the Redstocking Manifesto as a case-study (of
- sorts) in bad reasoning, and stillborn goal-creation within the ranks
- of mainstream feminism. I happen to think that "A Critique of
- Feminism" is one of the best blueprints for an agenda of sexual
- liberation (and I mean /sexual/ liberation, not specialist
- (transgender, pedophile, S&M, prostitution), in the sense of
- liberating groups of people from the restrictions of what is permitted
- or tolerated in society when it hurts nobody and certainly enhances
- some people's lives) I've ever read.
-
- The reason why Dworkin's sources are not examined to lead her to write
- badly is because virtually anything can lead to unclear thinking and
- bad writing. An upset stomach. Chronic multiple-rape scenarios by
- father and brothers with mother watching. Teenage acne. An unpleasant
- college professor. Violent lesbian rape in prison. Honestly, it
- completely trivializes serious influences by the possibility of
- irrelevant influences. What would be more interesting would be the
- identification of what in her writing is good, and worth thinking
- about, and what are the sources of /that/.
-
- Unfortunately what you quote from Owen leads from Dworkin to 'all
- women'. I can't speak for Owen, but I don't believe that Dworkin
- represents /women/ w.r.t. feminism any more than Donna Summer and "Bad
- Girls". Dworkin gives good rant, startling, but rant nonetheless. I
- don't agree with what Germaine Greer writes, but she writes /very
- well/ and /very convincingly/.
- --
- US Jojo; damp, slighly soiled, but tasty nonetheless.
-