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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Date: 23 Dec 1992 11:06:55 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- References: <1992Dec23.055209.27606@panix.com> <1992Dec23.123033.4883@macc.wisc.edu> <1992Dec23.173528.25908@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
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- In article <1992Dec23.173528.25908@cbnewsh.cb.att.com>
- psp@cbnewsh.cb.att.com (P.S. Powledge) writes:
-
- > Before I get into this, the Truth in Posting Law requires me to make the
- > same dangerous disclosure Jess did: I've hardly read Dworkin at all, and
- > what I did was a *very* long time ago (maybe an essay in _Against SM_?).
-
- I read _Intercourse_ last year (prompted, in part, by an
- inflammatory review of it -- and her -- in the London Review
- of Books), and bits and pieces of her most recent "novel",
- and essays here and there over the years, and I followed
- her anti-porn campaign very closely.
-
- [ ... ]
- > Still, am very uncomfortable with some of the criticism she gets, here and
- > elsewhere.
- >
- > Part of it is that Dworkin's often used to discredit all feminists as a
- > whole, as if all feminists have identical analyses.
-
- Yes, and that explains the caveat I put at the beginning of
- my last article in this thread. My problem is with Dworkin's
- analysis (and MacKinnon's, too, where their views overlap,
- such as in their belief that women cannot *be* prostitutes
- but rather are prostituted; or in their shared belief that
- even *gay* porno is violence against women).
-
- [ ... ]
- > The other, more important, part for me is that people criticize her by
- > discrediting not only her ending points in her arguments, but her starting
- > points, too.
-
- By starting points, what do you mean? That when there's
- a power imbalace true consensuality is not possible? Fine.
- I agree. That rape-murders are bad? Sure, I go along with
- that too. But I have a problem once she goes beyond that.
-
- > As I said above, I strongly disagree with her conclusions.
- > But I don't think the question she's trying to answer -- what does
- > consensuality mean within the context of a massive power difference between
- > the individuals involved? -- is the least bit looney.
-
- I don't think she's trying to *answer* these or any other
- questions.
-
- Arne
-
-
-