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- From: mls@panix.com (Michael Siemon)
- Subject: Re: Dworkin (was Re: Liberty)
- Message-ID: <1992Dec23.055209.27606@panix.com>
- Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1992 05:52:09 GMT
- References: <1992Dec22.144024.28676@tc.cornell.edu> <1992Dec22.172912.2724@tc.cornell.edu> <18223@autodesk.COM>
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- In article <18223@autodesk.COM> owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley) writes:
-
- >this kind of bitterness upsets me.
-
- bitterness?????
-
- >In the paragraph of yours above you say that it pleases you that Andrea
- >Dworkin pisses men off, and objectifys them in a dehumanising way.
- >You go on to rationalise that by saying that you think it will help
- >them get their heads straight about the way they treat women and make
- >changes accordingly.
-
- rationalize?????
-
- Owen -- I realize I am no more your notion of a cogent observer than
- Melinda is, but you seem weirdly out of touch here. Melinda is saying
- no more than this:
-
- Male assurances of "understanding" the problems of systematic
- oppression of women amount to a hill of beans. Most men have
- ZERO comprehension of what it is to be the object of a total
- societal negation. If Dowrkin can get men, for a *few* moments
- of their oh-so-precious time to see an absolute negation of
- their worth, they *may* [if they have some capacity for clues]
- begin to *feel* (and not dismiss by abstraction) what women
- generally have to put up with every bloody second of their
- lives.
-
- Have a nice day.
- --
- Michael L. Siemon "We honour founders of these starving cities
- mls@panix.com Whose honour is the image of our sorrow ...
- They built by rivers and at night the water
- Running past the windows comforted their sorrow."
-