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- From: jarvis@psych.toronto.edu (Brian Jarvis)
- Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.174246.29824@psych.toronto.edu>
- Organization: Dept. of Psychology, University of Toronto
- References: <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu>
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 17:42:46 GMT
- Lines: 66
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- In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu (John Ioannidis) writes:
- >Every once in a while I'll read on the local bboards in the places I
- >have accounts at, that Mr&Mrs so-and-so had a brand new baby, vital
- >statistics of the baby follow, and the message ends with how the
- >father is proud and the mother is resting at the hospital. The message
- >is invariably congratulatory.
-
- >1. Is it a het thing, and I just don't understand?
-
- It's not just a het thing. At least two lesbian couples I know have
- sent me cards announcing the arrival of their daughters. I've seen at
- least one Birth notice in the Toronto Star (major Toronto daily) which
- listed two women as the parents.
-
- >2. Is there something intrinsic to be proud of on the part of the
- >father? The only thing he has proven so far is that he has a working
- >reproductive system.
-
- I can understand his pride. In purest logic, yes, all he's proven
- is the viability of his reproductive system. Beyond this however,
- can be a very profound emotional effect, holding in one's hands a new life,
- a new being with such potential and capacity for love and intelligence,
- formed, presumably, by the actions of two people who love each other.
-
- While I've never been a father in the genetic sense, I've diapered, bathed
- & bottle-fed (among other duties) four children and did a damn good job
- too. I feel I can lay claim to a large portion of word "parenthood". It's
- certainly an experience which changed my outlook in life.
-
- >3. WRT #2 above, is the father being congratulated on his bedroom
- >prowess, and the mother on being fertile? (Of course, it could be
- >congratulating the father for putting up with his wife, and the mother
- >for actually going through the trouble of having a baby, but I somehow
- >doubt that this is the case).
-
- See above.
-
- >4. Why do we never see such messages by same-sex couples? Or single
- >parents? Or adoptive parents?
-
- And above. I have seen such notices & cards by same-sex couples and
- adoptive parents. Typically, the single parents I know are too damned
- busy being parents to get the cards and notices sent, but that's what
- grandparents are for.
-
- >5. Am I the only one with the (suppresed) urge to post followups along
- >the lines of "who cares?" or "only 10 pounds? You can hardly make a
- >pot roast out of that!"
-
- You're not unique in this; with 5 billion people on the planet, there's
- certainly a diversity of opinion. B{)
-
- >6. Should I really be working on finishing my thesis and not bothering
- >soc.motss with my morning (very late night, actually) bitchiness?
-
- If it wasn't for late night bitchiness, most soc.motss discussions would
- never be started. Don't sweat it. B{)
-
- Now go work on your thesis! Good luck!
-
- Brian
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