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- From: smezias@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU (Stephen J. Mezias)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Congratulating (het) parents on their new baby
- Message-ID: <34549@rnd.GBA.NYU.EDU>
- Date: 22 Dec 92 16:37:00 GMT
- References: <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu>
- Organization: NYU Stern School of Business
- Lines: 77
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- In article <Bzo2DH.DFx@cs.columbia.edu> ji@cs.columbia.edu (John
- Ioannidis) writes:
-
- >Every once in a while I'll read on the local bboards in the places I
- >have accounts at, that Mr&Mrs so-and-so had a brand new baby, vital
- >statistics of the baby follow, and the message ends with how the
- >father is proud and the mother is resting at the hospital. The message
- >is invariably congratulatory.
-
- Given how these messages seem to bother you, maybe you should avoid
- reading them.
-
- >So here are my questions:
- >
- >1. Is it a het thing, and I just don't understand?
-
- What is not to understand here? I don't know that I would describe it
- as a `het' thing although one would presume that the message is the
- generally the result of previous heterosexual behavior. This is just
- one of those social traditions, like the tooth fairy or the Easter
- bunny. Does one understand the Easter bunny or the tooth fairy? It
- may be that the social values consonant with this type of announcement
- have relatively little overlap with the social values expressed in
- many soc.motss posts, but I don't know. Either way, as long as the
- `proud parents' aren't posting with the intent of communicating
- something specific to glb persons, I fail to understand the motss
- relevance of these posts in other locations.
-
- >2. Is there something intrinsic to be proud of on the part of the
- >father? The only thing he has proven so far is that he has a working
- >reproductive system.
-
- When my son was born, neither my wife nor I made any such
- announcement. I certainly felt many emotions during pregnancy, labor,
- and birth. The social convention is to label these emotions as pride.
- I don't think it had much to do with my ability to get an erection and
- engage in heterosexual sex. It had much more to do with constructing
- appropriate labels for an intense emotional experience to make it
- easier to deal with.
-
- >3. WRT #2 above, is the father being congratulated on his bedroom
- >prowess, and the mother on being fertile? (Of course, it could be
- >congratulating the father for putting up with his wife, and the mother
- >for actually going through the trouble of having a baby, but I somehow
- >doubt that this is the case).
-
- It is all of these things and much more. The message encapsulates a
- series of social myths about appropriate responses to the traumatic
- experiences of labor, child birth, and beginning to live with a new
- person, who is quite helpless and requires much attention.
-
- >4. Why do we never see such messages by same-sex couples? Or single
- >parents? Or adoptive parents?
-
- I have certainly seen messages of this nature from adoptive parents.
- It may be that single parents and same-sex parents generally do not
- wish to publicize their situations. I honestly do not know.
-
- >5. Am I the only one with the (suppresed) urge to post followups along
- >the lines of "who cares?" or "only 10 pounds? You can hardly make a
- >pot roast out of that!"
-
- Do you also want to follow-up every post about emotional experiences
- in a glb person's life with similarly insensitive remarks?
-
- >6. Should I really be working on finishing my thesis and not bothering
- >soc.motss with my morning (very late night, actually) bitchiness?
-
- My guess would be yes. Why are you bothered by harmless propogation
- of collective strategies to deal with intense life transitions? If I
- were you, I would my energy for fighting bigotry and intolerance.
- While this social tradition celebrates a life experience that glb
- persons may be somewhat less likely to have than hets, I think it is
- relatively harmless compared with other het traditions regarding sex
- and reproduction.
-
- SJM
-