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- From: adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: Liberty (was something relevant about CO-2 long ago...)
- Date: 22 Dec 1992 09:01:01 -0800
- Organization: University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA
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- References: <BznGFH.KBq@unix.amherst.edu> <1h6t87INNccf@mizar.usc.edu> <1992Dec22.144024.28676@tc.cornell.edu>
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- In article <1992Dec22.144024.28676@tc.cornell.edu>
- shore@dinah.tc.cornell.edu (Melinda Shore) writes:
- > In article <1h6t87INNccf@mizar.usc.edu>
- > adolphso@mizar.usc.edu (adolphson) writes:
- > >There's no reason whatsoever
- > >to listen to a single word Andrea Dworkin says.
- >
- > While I certainly disagree with Dworkin, that won't stop me
- > from disagreeing with you about her. Her suggestion that
- > true consensuality can't exist between two people where
- > there is a gross power imbalance is a valid one.
-
- If I thought that were her point, I would of course agree
- with her.
-
- > She then
- > goes ahead and denies the adulthood of the less empowered
- > person, and that is her great failing. Just because she's
- > wrong about a lot doesn't mean that she's wrong about
- > everything.
-
- Perhaps Dworkin isn't wrong about everything, but I see no
- reason why I, a gay man who has no sexual interest in
- women whatsoever, should be painted with her extremely
- broad brush. All men's interest in women, according to
- Dworkin, is gynocidal. All men are potential rapists.
- What finally convinced me that she's a complete crackpot,
- and one not worth taking seriously for even a second,
- is her claim, in _Intercourse_, that *every* act of penile-
- vaginal intercourse is actually rape. That she steps up
- her language -- and really, how can anyone take seriously
- someone who claims that each specific act of heterosexual
- intercourse is fully as horrific as the gas chambers at
- Auschwitz? -- makes me think that she's operating under
- another agenda that she's not willing to come clean about.
- I wouldn't complain if she were honest about this and
- admitted to her androphobia. But she won't.
-
- Arne
-