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- From: spencer@der.Princeton.EDU (S. Spencer Sun)
- Subject: starting new threads
- Message-ID: <1992Dec22.081841.19629@Princeton.EDU>
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- Reply-To: spencer@phoenix.princeton.edu (S. Spencer Sun)
- Organization: Live Organ Transplants
- Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1992 08:18:41 GMT
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- In light of the recent articles about cross-posting, I thought I'd address
- the issue of correctly starting new threads. A lot of people will do this
- by simply finding some random article and doing a "followup" to it, then
- changing the subject line, etc.
-
- There are two main reasons why I think this is a bad idea. (Judging from
- the warm reception I got the last time I did something like this, I should
- probably preface this by saying that I am not trying to coerce people into
- doing whatever makes me happy. I happen to think that the two reasons
- below are quite valid, not just personal peeves, and it doesn't take a lot
- of effort to start a new thread correctly.)
-
- WHY YOU SHOULDN'T START A NEW THREAD BY JUST FOLLOWING UP TO AN EXISTING
- ARTICLE:
-
- (1) YOUR ARTICLE MAY NOT BE POSTED TO THE NEWSGROUPS THAT YOU EXPECTED.
-
- If the article to which you are following up ("up to which you are
- following"? :-) ) is cross-posted to multiple newsgroups, your article
- will be too! This happened recently; someone posted an article about
- something they found in _Science News_, and they did this by following up
- to an article in the thread about whether or not we should split
- soc.motss. Since the latter discussion was cross-posted to news.groups,
- the _Science News_ thing got posted to news.groups as well, where it
- probably doesn't really belong.
-
- Also, if people have set the Followup-To: line in the header of their
- article, then your followup will of course go to whatever newsgroups they
- specified, which may not even include the newsgroup to which you think you
- are posting.
-
- (2) YOUR ARTICLE WILL BE THREADED INCORRECTLY.
-
- (I will talk about trn, because that's the only threaded newsreader with
- which I am familiar, but similar situations apply for other threader
- newsreaders, I'm sure.)
-
- Trn groups related articles into threads. When you followup to an
- existing article, your article's header includes a References: line that
- contains the Message-ID of the parent article, and this References: line
- is what trn uses to decide whether articles are in the same thread or
- not. While you are in fact starting a new thread, trn will think you
- aren't, so it will group your new article with the other one.
-
- Now, trn requires the user to select entire threads of articles to be
- read. If there is a group of articles with subject A, and you start a new
- thread of subject B (completely unerlated to A), people using trn will
- have to select one group of articles containing BOTH subjects, even though
- they may only want to read one of them.
-
- If you're still reading this and haven't reached for the flamethrower, and
- you want to know how to properly start a new thread, here's how you start
- a new thread correctly from within rn or trn (those are the only two
- newsreaders I've used... from the tin flame war on news.software.readers I
- gather Tim Pierce is our resident tin guru... anyone use nn or something
- else?).
-
- Hit $. This will take you to the end of the newsgroup. _Now_ if you
- type 'f', it will start a new thread. In trn, if you hit 'f' and you
- aren't at the end of the newsgroup, it will ask you if you are starting
- a separate topic. Answering 'y' here works equally well as hitting $
- then f.
-
- If you accidentally start to followup to an article, when you really want
- to start a new thread, and you don't feel like quitting out and starting
- over again, there's a way around it. Delete the References: and also
- make sure that the Newsgroups: line reflects the news group(s) to which
- you want to post.
-
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