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- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Path: sparky!uunet!nwnexus!elf
- From: elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
- Subject: Re: Age-ism and the gay community
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.213438.2450@nwnexus.WA.COM>
- Originator: elf@halcyon.com
- Sender: sso@nwnexus.WA.COM (System Security Officer)
- Organization: Pendor, UnLtd.
- References: <1992Dec20.172122.5221@macc.wisc.edu>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 21:34:38 GMT
- Lines: 65
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- In article <1992Dec20.172122.5221@macc.wisc.edu>
- anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
-
- [ Lots and lots of wonderful things, all of which make sense to me.
- Gods, I hope I get there someday. ]
-
- >Hairlessness is in the genes; why hold someone accountable?
-
- I suppose I might get into trouble for this-- No, I *know* I am.
- Jess, one of the things that bothers me most about seeing this line,
- especially in something you write, is that, for me, it's painfully
- obvious that along with simple things like hairlessness, eye color, and
- height, _race_ is "in the genes."
-
- So is sex. Male or female, something in the genes. For me, it's
- ridiculous to hold someone accountable for that, too...
-
- Onwards...
-
- > nelson@reed.edu (Nelson Minar) writes:
-
- >>Bear magazine seems to have a few models who are over 30, but still
- >>nothing like what I'm interested in. There has to be erotica/porn
- >>featuring "older men" - but where?
-
- Actually, Nelson, up here in Seattle we've had two sudden surges of
- "older men" porn... a magazine called "Classics," which is now in its
- second issue, featuring exclusively men over 50, I beleive. The first
- issue's cover model was a little like a Santa-on-a-Harley, and I had a
- strong visceral reaction to it. Very nice... the second issue's cover
- was even yummier.
-
- There's also a text magazine (yes, you have to _read_ it :-) called
- "Silver Balls." It's quite amusing, especially the cartoons...
-
- >>>Why is the criteria for gay men over the age of 21 is to
- >>>find a man over the age of 21?
-
- Funny, I was 24 when I took my first lover, and he was 17. Age has
- almost never meant much to me. Then again, most of my lovers I've met
- over the 'net, where the only -ism I can be accused of is
- intellectualism. Or perhaps just literacy-ism? In Nelson's case,
- things are just a little bit different. He's still got a brilliant
- mind, and I love reading what he has to say, so that turns me on... but
- he put his photo in the motss archive and that hair is *just* to die
- for.
-
- But then, almost anyone can grow long hair.
-
- <> Sanity is a cozy lie. - Susan Sontag
-
- I'll leave that one up there.
-
- Elf !!!
- --
- elf@halcyon.com (Elf Sternberg)
-
- Then, I was inspired. God, thy will is hard
- Now, I'm sad and tired. But you hold every card.
- Listen, surely I've exceeded I will drink your cup of poison.
- Expectations. Nail me to your cross and break me.
- Tried for three years, Bleed me, beat me.
- Seems like thirty. Kill me.
- Could you ask as much Take me now.
- From any other man? Before I change my mind.
-