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- From: owen@autodesk.com (D. Owen Rowley)
- Newsgroups: soc.motss
- Subject: Re: A Better Year Ahead
- Message-ID: <18205@autodesk.COM>
- Date: 21 Dec 92 20:39:03 GMT
- References: <1992Dec19.054427.18239@macc.wisc.edu>
- Sender: news@Autodesk.COM
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- In article <1992Dec19.054427.18239@macc.wisc.edu>, anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
- >
- > As is obvious from recent discussions, I've been concerned
- > that 1993 should be a better year than 1992 was in and for
- > soc.motss.
-
- A concern that has apparently spontaneously combusted in quite a few
- folks vicinity. :-)
-
- > In addition to the possibility of splitting soc.motss into
- > several newsgroups, along the lines presently being
- > discussed, there is the issue of vigilance about
- > cross-posting, which way more than half the time raises the
- > heat without raising the light.
-
- having ignored the common sense of such vigilance , and often gone against
- my own best judgement in order to tweak some jerk for my own tawdry
- pleasure, I would like to publicly apologise to my peers for my
- behavior.
-
- > But there are other issues to be worked out too. I see
- > these as including, but not limited to:
-
- > There's close to
- > complete consensus, I think, that we need greater
- > inclusiveness than that. Strictly for economy, lots of
- > us say LGB or LGBO to refer to the cohort. But unless
- > you're already familiar with that acronym, it's every bit
- > as opaque as motss. That's why I currently favor
- > soc.lesbigay.
-
- as do I.
-
- > - Several posters make regular appearances here *primarily*
- > as harassers. This includes the recently present Clayton
- > Cramer and Phil Ronzone. *Long* experience has shown
- > there's little or no point in engaging such people in
- > debate or other discussion. I think it's an individual
- > judgment call what to do, if anything, about that, but my
- > own inclination is to refuse to let them co-opt my
- > energies.
-
- debate and disscussion can only take place between people who
- accept each other as peers.
- Individuals who will not engage individuals as individuals, and
- persistently harrass soc.motss as impersonal *others* are not debating
- or disscussing anything, they are molesting us, and the only way
- to deal with such people is to * just say NO*
-
- > it seems to me that at a minimum we can agree that
- > who and what we are is not an appropriate debate. To
- > that end, perhaps we should now create and ratify a
- > formal charter, and when people post inappropriate things
- > here, send it to them with some form of cease and desist
- > message.
-
- yes , yes , yes
-
- how best shall we accomplish this, whta sort of official recognition
- can be codified?
-
- LUX ./. owen
- --
- D. Owen Rowley {uunet,fernwood,sun}!autodesk!owen
-
- " It will be a cold March 17th that I celebrate the imposition of
- Romes rule, on Pagan Ireland. Erin go ppphhhhhttttttt! "
-