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- From: dbidwa@sei.cmu.edu (Daniel Bidwa)
- Subject: Re: Devil CD's
- Message-ID: <1992Dec21.114728.14666@sei.cmu.edu>
- Keywords: hot rails to hell
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- Organization: The Software Engineering Institute
- References: <1992Dec15.143510.27557@sei.cmu.edu> <1992Dec18.192455.18616@mcs.anl.gov>
- Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 11:47:28 EST
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- nasiatka@anhep3.anl.gov.bitnet (Jim Wylde) writes:
- |> Oh, I don't know about that.... I mean it's really nice to just be a
- |> 'cult' band have a small, dedicated, faithful following, but to really
- |> make it big means that: A) more people get exposed to you, even if the
- |> first set of stuff they hear is pop-ish. They dig it, do some digging
- |> for the other stuff, and maybe get a lot of new fans. B) It keeps the
- |> record companys happy, so they let you make more. C) You get to
- |> make a bit more money 'cause now yer big-time. Oh, yeah, D) you get to
- |> stop having to play small bars/clubs 'cause you can fill a 30,000 seat
- |> arena!
-
- A) Okay. Not a bad end result, although I don't agree that it's necessarily a
- good reason for a band to change its sound.
- B) Who cares about the record companies -- in this age of inexpensive
- multitrack recording, it's not like record companies are really necessary for
- anything more than distribution (and maybe promotion), except maybe the
- initial chunk of cash needed to press the record.
- C) Who cares.
- D) _Big_ who cares. Arena shows suck like crazy sound- and presence-wise.
- I'd take a smaller club any day. (This reminds me of when Thomas Dolby, in his
- pop heyday, chose to play four shows at the 9:30 in DC (a relatively small
- club) rather than play just one show at a larger venue. Better sound, better
- atmosphere, more fun for everyone involved.)
-
- I think a lot of this depends on why people get involved in music. If
- someone's in a band to "make it", as is the American Rock Music Dream, then
- all of this makes sense. If someone's in a band to make music that they like,
- then all this is less important. (This tends to drop into the whole "artistic
- purity vs. commercialization" argument, which may or may not be relevant,
- since there's plenty of shitty music being made on both sides of the coin.)
-
- |> Personnally, I think it's sort of an in-genre crossover. Not really a
- |> sell-out, just exploring new turf. Kinda like Bono and U2 playing with
- |> BB King. Did Bono sell out as some U2 purists claim?
-
- I haven't paid any attention to U2 since somewhere around "Boy" (well, other
- than the Island/Negativland lawsuit), so I really couldn't say, but I'd hazard
- a guess that the U2/B.B. King collab was equal parts exploration and
- exploitation. Yeah, it's new territory for U2 (and for B.B. King too, although
- I'd bet he didn't initiate the collaboration), but it's also an example of
- U2's bid for musical legitimacy: U2 (or Bono; whatever) wants to be taken
- seriously; B.B. King is a well-known blues performer, certainly a "serious"
- musician; if U2 plays with B.B. King, then they must be serious musicians too,
- right?
-
- |> Not familiar with em... Personally, though I'd flip my legs up in the air
- |> for Young Mr. SAtan Spawn himself: Glen Danzig.... :)
-
- Ah, yes, Mr. Steroid himself. It's too bad he's outlived his schtick -- it
- worked pretty well with the Misfits, but geez, that was ten years ago.
- I think he's pretty funny now.
-
- |> >Wow, rap, punk, and now metal -- soc.motss is certainly hitting the
- |> >fringes of queer-accepted music lately. Klezmer, anyone?
- |> Whaddya mean fringes? How many of your gay friends grew up with Rock?
- |> Most of mine just ditched it because *you have to be into dance music*
- |> to be gay.... (YEECH!!!!)
-
- That's true -- Gay culture does seem to be fairly pop-oriented (Erasure,
- blech), or at least that's how it seems; I honestly have no idea what's really
- popular (in both the queer and non-queer communities), so it's hard for me to
- say.
-
- |> Hell, up till recently, I ran the Gay Metal Society here in Chicago.
- |> Group of Heavy Metal Homos into all sorts of rock/metal. We did parties,
- |> and had metal nights at local queer bars, and were somewhat political in
- |> interfacing with the music scene out here. You'd be surprised how many
- |> gays/lesbians there are on the rock scene...
-
- Probably. I just wish more of them would be willing to come out of the closet.
- Heck, David Geffen did it, and now look what he got -- Nirvana! (Further proof
- that queers have a stranglehold on culture...:-)
-
- |> Have a good weekend!
-
- Ditto, of course.
-
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