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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: soc.men
- Subject: Re: Boycotts (was Re: Why are many low-income women fat?)
- Message-ID: <725745387@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 19:56:28 GMT
- References: <725675509@lear.cs.duke.edu> <C02zFx.5Eq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
- Organization: Living In Harmony
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- In article <C02zFx.5Eq@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >Good always has to be defined, ultimately, case by case. I don't think
- >there is any one concept which will define it in *all* circumstances.
-
- >Which is not to say there might not be concepts which define it
- >in *most* circumstances; but these concepts form a practical,
- >not a theoretical definition of good.
-
- There are two problems with this approach:
- 1) A not very clear of definition "good" let people manipulate the
- system. If they are honest it can make a lot of good, but this
- kind of power attracts McCarthy-type people, and so it
- usually makes a lot of bad.
-
- 2) Unwritten laws and "you should have known that that was
- forbidden" is unfair. That's why the citizens of Athens
- demanded written laws *long* time ago.
-
- >>If you have a machine that works reasonably well then it is not
- >>a good idea to "improve" it before you understand it.
-
- >Agreed. But even in this "Bronze age of oppression" (to quote
- >another poster) *some* people understand the machine enough
- >to make *some* improvements.
-
- Would you mind to give some specific examples?
-
- >>It seems to me a better idea to start fixing what does not work.
- >>E.g. finding out why NY has the highest state taxation on an
- >>average family in the nation, but it gives lousy services.
-
- >Alfonse d'Amato? You should hear my mother -- who lives in New
- >York -- talk about him!
-
- >(And let me be nonpartisan and mention David Dinkins...)
-
- You see the problem as the people, I see the problem in the kind
- of system that attracts those people.
-
- Because the system was supposed to create "social justice," it has
- *taxed* the middle class people. As a result the government had a
- lot of money to spend, and people like d'Amato and Dinkins have
- been attracted to it.
-
- In my opinion, part of "social justice" is reducing the power of the
- government. Do you reject this approach? Can you give an example
- where a powerful government stayed (more or less) "clean handed"?
-
- >Please! This is a quote from Yamanari, **not** from me.
-
- I'm sorry for my mistake and I apologize.
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
- Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
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