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- From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
- Subject: Re: Boycotts (was Re: Why are many low-income women fat?)
- References: Dec29.020539.549@wam.umd.edu> <C0194t.pA@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <725675509@lear.cs.duke.edu>
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1992 16:35:55 GMT
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- gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes:
-
- >In article <C0194t.pA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- >levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- >[Social justice]
- >>> Please define.
-
- >>I can't. I am not even sure that one rigid definition would always
- >>be appropriate.
-
- >You reject the usual definition, but you don't give any other definition.
- >How do you suggest to discuss something so undefined?
- >(This is not a rhetoric question.)
-
- Good always has to be defined, ultimately, case by case. I don't think
- there is any one concept which will define it in *all* circumstances.
-
- Which is not to say there might not be concepts which define it
- in *most* circumstances; but these concepts form a practical,
- not a theoretical definition of good.
-
- I would not follow any book definition of good against the
- promptings of my conscience.
-
- >>I don't know what "great" means. But the fact that conditions are
- >>better in this country, on the whole, than many others, does not
- >>mean they cannot be improved.
-
- >If you have a machine that works reasonably well then it is not
- >a good idea to "improve" it before you understand it.
-
- Agreed. But even in this "Bronze age of oppression" (to quote
- another poster) *some* people understand the machine enough
- to make *some* improvements.
-
- >It seems to me a better idea to start fixing what does not work.
- >E.g. finding out why NY has the highest state taxation on an
- >average family in the nation, but it gives lousy services.
-
- Alfonse d'Amato? You should hear my mother -- who lives in New
- York -- talk about him!
-
- (And let me be nonpartisan and mention David Dinkins...)
-
- >>> I have a very *clear* concept of right and wrong. It is not
- >>> muddled by goofy social ideals. For me, right and wrong are
- >>> black and right--there can be no "almost right" because that
- >>> almost certainly implies that there were ulterior motives,
- >>> and I consider motivation a prime factor in determining
- >>> right and wrong.
-
- Please! This is a quote from Yamanari, **not** from me.
-
- Lenore Levine
-