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- From: gazit@duke.cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit)
- Newsgroups: soc.men,alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: Boycotts (was Re: Why are many low-income women fat?)
- Message-ID: <725675509@lear.cs.duke.edu>
- Date: 30 Dec 92 00:31:51 GMT
- References: Dec29.020539.549@wam.umd.edu> <C0194t.pA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Reply-To: gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel)
- Followup-To: soc.men
- Organization: The Scorpions Nest
- Lines: 52
-
- In article <C0194t.pA@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
- levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
-
- [Social justice]
- >> Please define.
-
- >I can't. I am not even sure that one rigid definition would always
- >be appropriate.
-
- You reject the usual definition, but you don't give any other definition.
- How do you suggest to discuss something so undefined?
- (This is not a rhetoric question.)
-
- >I don't know what "great" means. But the fact that conditions are
- >better in this country, on the whole, than many others, does not
- >mean they cannot be improved.
-
- If you have a machine that works reasonably well then it is not
- a good idea to "improve" it before you understand it.
-
- It seems to me a better idea to start fixing what does not work.
- E.g. finding out why NY has the highest state taxation on an
- average family in the nation, but it gives lousy services.
-
- >> I have a very *clear* concept of right and wrong. It is not
- >> muddled by goofy social ideals. For me, right and wrong are
- >> black and right--there can be no "almost right" because that
- >> almost certainly implies that there were ulterior motives,
- >> and I consider motivation a prime factor in determining
- >> right and wrong.
-
- I care about the results much more than I care about the intentions
- and/or motivation. E.g. if a mechanic tries to fix your car, but fails,
- do you care about his good intentions, or about the lousy final result?
- If a good Liberal like Johnson tries to create a better world by
- sending 500,000 men to Vietnam, do you care about his good intentions
- or about the final result? (This is not a rhetoric question.)
-
- >By the way, what do you think of the idea of giving a rapist who
- >doesn't use a rubber a much higher penalty? Of charging them
- >with attempted murder rather than rape?
-
- If the rapist has AIDS, or he thinks (rightly or wrongly) that he has
- AIDS then the rape should be considered an attempted murder.
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
- Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu
-
- Never worry about theory as long as the machinery does what it's
- supposed to do.
- -- R. A. Heinlein
-